Social Some experts worry mask wearing may be causing language development problems in kids

[PhitePhan]

Grown men complaining about a mask mandate will forever stay funny to me

You’re so edgy!

 

[So Fresh]

There's a Karen from my local community center that loves to bash mask mandates, vaccines and is just one of those crazy conspiracy theorists who provided a "doctor's note" to our kids' scouts leaders. Everyone hates her and subsequently her kid gets picked on because of her retarded mother. She then takes to Facebook and says COVID measures are making her kid depressed. Meanwhile, she acts like a total shrew to her husband and loves to rail on her kids in public, but yes Karen, it's the COVID mandates that are the problem...

So much egoism and these people are just blind to their own actions. It’s sad for her children and the damage she’s doing.

 

[So Fresh]

You’re so edgy!

You think this is edgy? lol

 

[Damien Karras]

Do you happen to know what his stance is on traumatic experience in children for having their family members and friends family members dying at a high rate due to covid ?

No we didn't talk about that.

My sister, who has moved to the states (Utah), has since become a staunch conservative when she used to be the complete opposite. She's been having a rough few years with an abusive husband and has since gone to a therapist who "diagnosed" her with PTSD due to "childhood neglect". She basically claims my mom was too busy cleaning all the time and didn't play with her enough, and that the several instances of not playing with her have compounded into PTSD. I had my mom crying in my arms about how she's sorry for being a terrible mother. This pissed me off so I spoke to my old boss about it. He was dumbfounded. He said that's not PTSD and while it's true the lack of love and closeness with a parental figure can spark PTSD, it's usually seen in kids that were raised in orphanages, or kids whose parents would lock them in a room all the time.

I mention this because it's the only discussion I had with him on childhood PTSD. Also, I mention this cause my sister and her retarded therapist are staunch conservatives and don't properly understand the subject.

 

[ElKarlo]

For the record, when I brought this issue up to my old boss (child psychiatrist, epidemiologist, university professor and world renowned researcher) he said the vast majority of kids will recover. He then said the thing we aren't talking about as much as we should, the one thing that he fears will have the most impact on their cognitive, social and emotional regulation development, is overexposure to screens thanks to phones and tablets.

Total agreement with the last part. The first part, for a year or les, yes. But now it’s two years. I wonder if kids can rebound. Especially younger kids who don’t know what life was like without masks

 

[RogerB08]

It's not a study dumb ass

That's the point dumbass.

 

[So Fresh]

No we didn't talk about that.

My sister, who has moved to the states (Utah), has since become a staunch conservative when she used to be the complete opposite. She's been having a rough few years with an abusive husband and has since gone to a therapist who "diagnosed" her with PTSD due to "childhood neglect". She basically claims my mom was too busy cleaning all the time and didn't play with her enough, and that the several instances of not playing with her have compounded into PTSD. I had my mom crying in my arms about how she's sorry for being a terrible mother. This pissed me off so I spoke to my old boss about it. He was dumbfounded. He said that's not PTSD and while it's true the lack of love and closeness with a parental figure can spark PTSD, it's usually seen in kids that were raised in orphanages, or kids whose parents would lock them in a room all the time.

I mention this because it's the only discussion I had with him on childhood PTSD. Also, I mention this cause my sister and her retarded therapist are staunch conservatives and don't properly understand the subject.

That’s wild! PTSD is a diagnosis you normally wouldn’t get that easy. Normally it’s with really bad things like war and indeed orphanages, sexual abuse stuff like that. Can hardly imagine that’s the case, but then again I’m no expert. I just know good mental healthcare is hard to come by and a lot of people put all their eggs in one basket and just stop being critical.

 

[RogerB08]

You evidently work in the field?

I know that big claims like this require big evidence. I also know that rightwing shit heads will hold on to this for dear life the next time there's a pandemic where need people to mask up to stem the spread of it.

 

[MIKOM]

Every person I spoke to, including my former boss who is a child psychiatrist, has said that children almost always recover from speech developmental delays.

Your former boss must not have met the eloquent luminaries of the war room. He might change his/her mind.

 

[wlu.29]

“MAsKs arEnT maNDaTorY”

Derp!

Even in that article with the headline of 3 states, it's not clear which state

Not mandatory in majority of places,

Kids are resilient, source im a father of two

 

[Siver!]

Forcing kids to wear masks at school is child abuse


The Left is training them to be borgs for the global labor force.

I get that it's silly having kids wearing masks, but child abuse?

Did ancient cave people used to argue kids wearing clothes is child abuse, lol, a mask is just another form of clothing.

 

[MIKOM]

That is if you only take from this article

Speech development is on point in this thread.

 

[panamaican]

I need actual percentage increases before I take this claim seriously.

Nothing against speech pathologists but they're reporting a greater increase in requests from schools. I have a low opinion of schools ability to assess such things to begin with. The pandemic has to a lot of schools having to pay attention to things that they used to gloss over previously. So, while I do acknowledge that seeing people speak is an important part of learning how to talk for children, I just need more information than schools reporting it more. I'd like to find out if there are kids actually receiving services and what the rate increase is.

Just to add some color to my commentary -- kids should be saying the /r/ properly around age 7, with variation based on individual children. So, if a kindergartener or pre-schooler isn't producing good "r"s, there might not be anything wrong with the kid's development. But since the teacher can't see the kid's mouth moving while they talk, the teacher's ability to assess what is being said is hamstrung and they now interpret it as a potential problem with the speed development, whien it's really just the absence of visual cues to aid in interpretation.

I'm not saying that's what is happening, I don't know. But that's why I'd like to see what the actual percentage increases in kids receiving services turns out to be, not just the reporting numbers.

 

[ElKarlo]

Speech development is on point in this thread.

What? The that’s actual English, loser. But par yourself on the back for reading two whole pages. Bet that took your whole day abs has now rendered you unable to actually debate.

 

[Damien Karras]

Total agreement with the last part. The first part, for a year or les, yes. But now it’s two years. I wonder if kids can rebound. Especially younger kids who don’t know what life was like without masks

Yeah that's a good question. This was fairly early or midway through the pandemic. I know his clinic used those masks with the transparent middle part to see the mouth specifically to mitigate impact on speech development. It's something many kindegartens and daycares used as well.

 

[MIKOM]

Bet that took your whole day abs has now rendered you unable to actually debate.

abs?

 

[Shadiata]

Masks = virtue signaling. Making kids wear them in school is just another form of social brainwashing

 

[ElKarlo]

Yeah that's a good question. This was fairly early or midway through the pandemic. I know his clinic used those masks with the transparent middle part to see the mouth specifically to mitigate impact on speech development. It's something many kindegartens and daycares used as well.

I mean that helps. But it still interferes with being able to fully see the face Which is a social cue for everyone.
I think like a lot of things. Say smoking can be damaging but a year of smoking will be undone easily. Ten years will take longer or may be permanent. Question is if this is damaging, how much so? And the degrees would be interesting to see. Is two months ok but 4 months moderately harmful? We have no idea what’s at play and tbh I think it’s best to play it safe and just not make kids and not require teachers of the young to mask

 

[ElKarlo]

abs?

Dude I have a Japanese phone. I type in “Syria ci” and I get cigarettes as the default suggestion. Now either debate or stfu. No one cares about autocorrect errors, unless you’re losing an argument

 

[tastaylvr]

Independent researchers? At least not someone who directly benefits from spreading these fearmongering rumors

You do understand that you are talking about all medical studies in modern existence? Let alone everything else

Expecting someone to be an expert and not make money from their expertise is weird