*** Sterling vs. Yan Scoring MEGATHREAD ***

[Bojka]

Exactly. People are just stubborn and refuse to adapt to the new way. If judges would actually apply the new criteria properly, it would clear up a lot of questionable decisions. 10-9 should literally only be scored for rounds that were reasonably close, with one fighter doing a little more to get the win. 10-8 is essentially what most people still view as 10-9, and 10-7 is what most people view as 10-8.

Round 1 was an insanely close round, so much so that everyone is debating who actually won it. It makes absolutely no sense for round 1 to be scored the same as any of the other rounds in that fight - all of which had clear winners. It's literal insanity to score rounds 1 and 2 both as 10-9 rounds in that fight. One had a much clearer winner than the other, and scoring should reflect that.

A better argument would be that round 1 should be 10-10. And that there should be more 10-10 rounds. I personally do think that.

 

[sdpdude9]

With the ten point must system, a 10-8 should need damage. Even if someone is in dominant position, if there's no significant damage, it should be 10-9. In my opinion. I absolutely hate the new 10-8 rules. In a three round fight, it's almost impossible to overcome. It also gives idiot judges the opportunity to fuck up a fight outcome more.

Just my two cents, lol.

What should be and what is are different though. By the current rules, a 10-8 is absolutely reasonable.

 

[Sasha]

The guy let him shoot 22 times without clipping him, and even willingly started grappling at times. I blame the gameplan, or the attitude, the fight IQ, whatever you call it- I'm not in his head. We all know how good a fighter Yan is, but I think he contributed to his shutting down .

 

[Substance Abuse]

What should be and what is are different though. By the current rules, a 10-8 is absolutely reasonable.

And that's why I said 'in my opinion' and stated I hate the new rules in regards to 10-8. I willfully acknowledged that. Not sure why you felt the need to tell me what I typed my friend, lol.

 

[ElLunico]

Clearly has zero knowledge about grappling or MMA. A body lock/backpack is an extremely dominant position.

 

[Dingaling]

I'd argue that it is stalling in many cases and should be stood up just like holding someone against the cage or in guard and doing nothing

I agree if someone's stalling in a neutral position like guard but in dominate positions such as mount, side control and back mount etc, you shouldn't bail the other person out because the one in the dominate position is focusing more on control and their opponent can't get free.

 

[Mike]

People keep harping on the TD rate like it matters. Stuffing tds doesn't score points, and if you stuff some tds only to end up on your back half the round anyway?

Yeah you lost that round.

 

[sdpdude9]

And that's why I said 'in my opinion' and stated I hate the new rules in regards to 10-8. I willfully acknowledged that. Not sure why you felt the need to tell me what I typed my friend, lol.

Lots of people have been expressing a similar sentiment and using it as justification for not giving a 10-8 so I was just speaking to the fact that isn’t the criteria. Wasn’t intended to be an attack, friend.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Lots of people have been expressing a similar sentiment and using it as justification for not giving a 10-8 so I was just speaking to the fact that isn’t the criteria. Wasn’t intended to be an attack, friend.

 

[JosephTessaro]

See a lot of people scoring 10 8 for Aljo. Holding a position for a whole round doing nothing with it does not equal a 10 8 round. You don't see people getting 10 8 for staying in guard a whole round. In a 5 round fight and especially 3 round fights, 10 8 rounds is a pretty damn huge impact on a scorecard so they shouldn't be handed out just for holding a position.

Doing nothing? Trying for subs and some nice body/head shots and totally controlling your opponent could have made it a 10-8 round.

I scored it 10-8.5

 

[Arrrrgh]

It wasn't a 10-8.

But it would have literally taken one cut or big shot to make it a 10-8.

I know all the tough guys love to talk shit about backpacks and wet blankets but if you can't do shit and have to get saved by the bell or a ref standup you are being dominated. Sure it would be boring to watch a guy wear down a determined opponent for 30 minutes riding his back until the guy tired enough or got impatient and made a mistake... but that's esssentially what backpacking is.

It's I've beaten you so bad you can't do anything.

Can you walk away without injury and just being tired? Sure. Because a ref stands it up. Let that go until the backpack wears you down and your life is his to do with what he wants.

It's kinda ironic we treat something akin to a KO or sub (aka, you completely control the fate of your opponents down to life or death if there is no body else there), only without dealing any damage, as somehow inferior.

With the ten point must system, a 10-8 should need damage. Even if someone is in dominant position, if there's no significant damage, it should be 10-9. In my opinion. I absolutely hate the new 10-8 rules. In a three round fight, it's almost impossible to overcome. It also gives idiot judges the opportunity to fuck up a fight outcome more.

Just my two cents, lol.

Respectfully disagree.

Probably the first time I genuinely disagree with you.

Though... I kinda agree with you because that's how the rules are written. So that's how it should be scored, a 10-9. And it is a sport not a fight in a dark alley where things like eye gouges and grabbing a lose rock are at the disposal of the fighter being backpacked. Still, I view it as taking more skill than a flash KO or "catching" someone in a sub. If the opponent isn't taking chances to escape, they should be penalized heavily IMO.

I'd almost be down for a rule that you don't get to go to the corner until you stand up and if it runs 3-5minutes over the end of the round, call the fight.

 

[Safton]

Aljo landed some nasty GnP in that round, though. It just wasn't sustained across the full control time. Doesn't meant it didn't happen.

With the ten point must system, a 10-8 should need damage. Even if someone is in dominant position, if there's no significant damage, it should be 10-9. In my opinion. I absolutely hate the new 10-8 rules. In a three round fight, it's almost impossible to overcome. It also gives idiot judges the opportunity to fuck up a fight outcome more.

Just my two cents, lol.

I see why you feel this way, but I respectfully disagree. I like the idea of having more 10-8s for dominant displays (within reason) and I think when one fighter is able to take the other down for an entire round and control them in one of the most dominant positions in grappling while threatening an imminent finish to the fight -- imposing their will in one of the most obvious ways possible (short of actually beating their face in) while completely making their opponent's own offense and gameplan a non-factor for a full five minutes that should absolutely be recognized and rewarded in some way, shape, or form.

My other issue with it is that a 10-9 as it stands covers waaaaaay too much ground in modern MMA scoring. People have a fair understanding of what a 10-7 is, though it's rare. And once people read the new rules and get a feel for it, I think most tend to understand the niche for where 10-8s fit in. But a 10-9 literally covers everything from "really this round was a razor-thin coin flip and no matter how you score it people are going to be angry and call robbery and we're only doing this because we can't do 10-10s" to "Fighter A soundly controlled the Octagon and outstruck/outgrappled Fighter B for five minutes, outclassing him and landing good shots but not in a sufficiently dominant/damaging fashion to warrant a 10-8" plus everything in between.

 

[RiotWyatt]

Remember when Couture backpacked Sylvia for 90% of 5 rounds and didn't get a single 10-8? As it should be.

Or even when John Alessio backpacked Diego for 3 rounds and lost.

 

[Willy Knuckles]

thats never even been a thing lmao... ive been watching this sport for almost 20 years i never even heard of such madness...literally nothing happened, did he even have a sub attempt? they were hand fighting the entire time and towards the end Sterling landed some ground and pound like what? maybe 5 good strikes? if that....so where that 10-8 is supposed to come from i will never understand, Yan did exactly what he had to do and was defending himself perfectly... thats as good of a back defense as you will see in the ufc....especially vs someone with top tier back control sub game

He got flattened out and did nothing but tuck his chin and hold on to Aljos hands for dear life. Its a 10-8 because Yan had zero offense in the round. The ground and pound was a lot by the way, very heavy shots. You don't know what you were watching

 

[Rank Squatter]

Gotta give it to Aljo either way. he did awesome controlling Yan even as a backpack

 

[MMAProfessional]

Damien Maia defeats Jon Fitch via Unanimous Decision (30-24)x3

Remember guys?

" Dominance in the grappling phase can be seen by fighters taking DOMINANT POSITIONS in the fight and utilizing those positions to attempt fight ending submissions or attacks. If a fighter has little to no offensive output during a 5 minute round, it should be normal for the judge to consider awarding the losing fighter 8 points instead of 9. Judges must CONSIDER giving the score of 10 – 8 when a fighter IMPACTS their opponent significantly in a round even though they do not dominate the action."

 

[Sakurabaism]

I'd argue that it is stalling in many cases and should be stood up just like holding someone against the cage or in guard and doing nothing

No it's not you fucking dumbass. Go hit a mat you fat hick.

 

[djason1988]

It absolutely is. The back is one of the best positions to have, if you can take it and keep it for an extended period of time, that's pretty damn dominant. Yan could do nothing but defend while waiting for the round to be over. Stop being butthurt.

 

[smiles mma]

Lay n pray would be if Sterling just sat in Yans closed guard or half guard, not passing to a dominatnt position like the back.

Learn your casual terminology before attempting to use it.

Still held on and ran the clock

 

[Captain Insano]

Do you really think having someone's back is the same as being in their guard?

Aljo having your back is safer though. He accomplished nothing with the position except keeping Yan from hurting him.

Smart by Aljo but he just never capitalized on it.