***Khamzat vs Burns MEGATHREAD***

[BigFrankNgoatnnou]

Usman would embarrass khamzat at this point. Doesn’t even belong in the same octagon as Kamaru the goat. He has a lot of work to do after last night

 

[ThrowDown]

I'm all for using data. However, you must also consider the quality of competition. RDA has fought a ton of very good LWs and WWs in or near their primes:

• Khabib
• Ferguson
• Usman
• Colby
• Leon Edwards
• Magny
• Nate Diaz
• Pettis
• Bendo
• Eddie Alvarez
• Cerrone (twice)
• Tibau
• Guida
• Tyson Griffin
• Jeremy Stephenson

Burns' resume isn't nearly as impressive, even with Usman and and Khamzat. He fought very old versions of Maia, Woodley and Wonderboy...and a few decent LWs. So comparing stats is mostly an apples and oranges exercise. Most likely you're still correct about Burns being more dangerous as a KO and submission artist, but you have to consider their respective competition.

Ridiculous evasion of reality.
No two fighters had the exact same resume.
"Impressive" is subjective, not factual.

For that matter, RDA didn't face Damien Maia, Tyron Woodley, Gunnar Nelson, Alex Oliveira, or Khamzat Chimaev, either.

The factual reality is, Gilbert Burns is ranked higher than RDA, and has 2x the KO ability and submission ability as RDA.

That's what the numbers actually show.

 

[Pascal Bergeron]

Honestly Oliveira doesn't count in terms of BJJ creds, where he isn't world class. But Khabib would've been a massive favorite over the guy who got smeshed by Paul Felder (and by Jeremy Stephens though he survived that one).

he greatly improved and we honestly saw what that kind of fight would have looked with khamzat vs burns and it was competitive

 

[Uncertainly Principled]

Khamzat v Burns megathread
Trolls arguing about Khabib, Conor & Jones

 

[gluehuffer1776]

You guys are not even honest and making excuses. First talking about 'muh title defenses' by ignoring how UFC robbed Khabib's title shot in 2016 and treated him completely different than other title contenders, and then ignoring how some fighters gets their title defenses by being lucky, or by controversial decisions etc.

You think Silva being unlucky and breaking his leg and Weidman being lucky in that fight counts as a 'muh title defense' for Weidman? <45>

Even when Weidman was lucky twice in Silva fights, he wasn't even P4P No.2 in the rankings. Even being lucky against Silva didn't help Weidman to reach P4P No.2 status, let alone No.1.

how was he robbed in 2016? was this when he almost died cutting weight and the fight was cancelled a day before the event?

 

[MMABr]

I'm more impressed by Khamzat now than before the fight.

Showed heart, grit, solid cardio and survived some crazy bombs by Burns who hits like a truck.

Needs to improve his striking defense but will only get better.

 

[Judoka1532]

Khazmat won by the round scoring system. But not by much. Honestly you could argue Burns did more damage but all of it come in the 2nd round. So Khazmat won in my opinion fair and square.

I left this fight more impressed with Burns. He went out there and fought hard, so I have to respect him for that.

And lastly, I don't think Khazmat is at the level of Usman, or covington yet. I know he would give anybody a tough fight but I just don't think he's quite there yet. he's got to work on this striking defense a little and I think if you look back on it, that's how Usman got better and got to where he is today

 

[Judoka1532]

i had it 29-28 khazmat

Yea I mean I agree. Close fight, but we have to remember this is a round-by-round scoring system.

In basketball, you get a 3 pointer if you shoot just behind the 3 point line, or from the opposite baseline. Just because burns had the more convincing round 2, he lost on the scorecards in 1 and 3. So that's the math that adds up.

Judges got it right.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Nope. Jones got DQed and lost to USADA many times.


Conor lost to Nate Diaz, and got finished by him, and UFC allowed Conor to rematch with Nate in a non-title fight for no reason at all.

Conor gets the most undeserved rematches in the combat sports history to get his title fights by stealing Khabib's title shot.

Then Conor barely pulled a majority win decision, couldn't finish or dominate Nate, (who was ducking Khabib btw) then they gave him the LW title fight by first sending the contract to Khabib, and then canceling the contract that Khabib already signed in 2016 and made him wait for 2 years for his first title shot. UFC did everything to create / hype Conor and ignore / undermine Khabib, but Khabib still won.

Why would anyone agree to fight a non draw with multiple last minute pull outs? Ducking? LoL

 

[thorcorm]

- Pre-Prime Khabib didn't lose a round vs. Prime Tibau, Khamzat lost a round.
- Khabib didn't get any damage or didn't get dropped in Tibau fight, while Tibau got damaged. While Khamzat got dropped and got damage.
- Tibau absolutely did nothing with that takedown, Khabib has 4 minutes control time, while Tibau has only 17 seconds control time, Khabib was the aggressor of the fight, and controlling the octagon.

The better comparison is how Khabib dominated Prime RDA, and didn't lose a round.

The thing is, we know Khamzat will move up to 185 lbs.

If Khamzat is fighting in 170 lbs right now, he should run through everyone like Conor did in 145 lbs. Because Khamzat has serious size advantage against anyone in 170 lbs, even against Usman. Just like Conor had in 145 lbs.

Khabib didn't have any size advantage in 155 lbs, even Conor has reach advantage against Khabib in 155 lbs.

Khabib wasn't going to move up to 170 lbs, while Khamzat is going to move up to 185 lbs. It wouldn't be a big surprise if Khamzat runs through everyone in 170 lbs due to size advantage, then moves up 185 lbs and won't have trouble with cutting weight as well in that weight class.

That is great and all but Khamzat is a far more entertaining fighter than Khabib and would beat the piss out of him if they ever fought. So.. next.

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

It seemed to me that burns speed was a big problem for chimev more so than anything else. Burns might be undersized against some of the top welters but you can see his body is full and ready to fight 100%.

Khamzat had all the same aggression and energy he had at middleweight but he kept running into shots thinking he was faster than he was. Not to mention he got sat down and wobbled multiple times which is no shame against gilbert, but perhaps the weight cut led to him being able to not withstand as much damage as he could.

Let me tell you how you're feeling?

 

[thorcorm]

I honestly don't understand the hate. Burns is a beast who almost knocked out Usman, and Chimaev just proved he is elite. There were some early Adesanya fights where he also did not look that impressive, and same with Khabib. I Don't know It he will beat Usman, but he is Top 3 in the division, which is crazy for his short career

A lot of this. To me it was a naive, ignorant, early Ngannou-esque performance from Khamzat thinking he could roll through everyone with no problems. He found out he has to fight smarter, and his post fight media seems to reflect he thinks the same.

He played with fire, fought dumb as hell, and came out on top against the 2nd or 3rd best fighter in his division... Gilbert by all accounts seems to have stuck to his gameplan. Khamzat seemed to ignore all corner advice until the 3rd round.

I mean Adesanya damn near lost to Kelvin... I still think Khamzat is a really bad match up for Usman and he beats him a lot more comfortably than Burns after learning from this.

 

[JackBlack]

Considering the takedowns were the extent of the wrestling in that fight

The only wrestling that happened in that fight were the takedowns? LMAO So there were no other usage of wrestling in that fight at all? No wrist control? No using the clinch to manipulate their opponent? No transitions?
If the control time Colby had over Usman wasn't wrestling, what was it?

Yea, you didn't think this one through did you?

 

[Rank Squatter]

WW seems like enough of a battle at the moment

Usman destroys Khamzat right now

Colby might cardio him to death and bet you its a 5 rounder of made

Luque and Belal would be tough too imo

fine where he is

 

[TheWave111]

I don't know anything about grappling or take down techniques.
Am I wrong in thinking that Chimaev completely relies on strength advantage? He tries to put all his power and strenght in a take down. That was not enough to take Gilbert Burns down and hold him down.
Everybody thought that this was his biggest weapon. That weapon was not enough against Burns.
I also don't see him using his legs for takedowns. He doesn't look for a trip or gets people off balance to put them down against the cage. He only tries to use his strength to take them down.
Who is an expert in grappling, wrestling and takedowns?
What are his skills against the cage?
I was not impressed.

 

[Max Power]

A 1300+ post thread for the easiest correct 29-28 decision in MMA history. Hilarious.

 

[dragonsfly]

This is white belt stuff...

He had no interest in them for good reasons.. He went for it first rd to prove point but he had no intention of staying in Burns guard whatsoever.. He was staying clear from that..

 

[StonedLemur]

He ran out of steam big time on rd3 which is a risk going into title fights, but it was his first real challenge against a tough guy who was giving him he'll, and he came out still pushing the pace and won the fight. Can't say how that doesn't show heart

He ran out of gas yet he threw more punches and landed more punches in the 3rd than the first and third rounds.

I think we have different ideas as to what gassing means.

 

[Goosemen]

He doesn't have Khabibs level of top control, throws or submissions.... or Islams.

Davi Ramos beat Burns in BJJ and Islam played bongos on his head.

 

[jnes]

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