International What is the truth behind Donald Trump?

thebesteva21 said:
Trump was a fair, honest man. He strived to be humble yet stern, and lead by action over words. He never wanted his stifle the voices of his opposition, as he knew the value in critical thinking. It was truly shocking when, although he clearly won the second election, Trump decided to step down peacefully in attempt to unite America, instead of dividing us by refusing to leave office.

The only thing I truly disliked about Trump was his fans. They were too intelligent, and sometimes made the rest of us feel bad in comparison to their own knowledge of the world. Luckily his fans really seemed to mimic Trumps humble approach, and instead of being loud and obnoxious on political agendas, they liked to sit down and have thoughtful conversation. A truly unique group in this world of echo chambers.
Click to expand...
This guy gets it. Gold star
 
thebesteva21 said:
100% agree. Sherdog to me has always been about finding a middle ground, and now it’s more liberal then a 2023 Disney film. I haven’t seen a right wing poster in what feels like forever in here
Click to expand...

They keep getting banned for accusing everyone of pedophilia.. or for posting nazi propaganda
 
Papi Chulo said:
What we know is this didn't happen under Trump.

Putin had a respect for Trump. And I don't think Putin fears Joe or respects him in any way. And here we are with Joe provoking a war and calling for a New World Order
Click to expand...
That is the real question: does this happen under Trump?

Donald Trump's hair, body weight, looks, mean words, sexual preference or tweets should not mater, all that should matter is would we be in this current predicament now, post the Afghanistan disaster, the food shortages, inflation, etc.

It is wild to see so many once war hating liberals that shamed the middle east wars now saying we should not make peace with our enemies, take a hard stance and even start ww3 with Russia. Tribalism is a wild and crazy thing in it's ability to make people take stances that they otherwise normally would never have: "Oh, what's that, Trump wants to be friends with Russia? And since I hat the orange man, I now want to nuke Russia!". The duopoly sucks, it should not exist, but it does, and the only choices we have are Biden or Trump.
 
GeneTunney7 said:
That is the real question: does this happen under Trump?

Donald Trump's hair, body weight, looks, mean words, sexual preference or tweets should not mater, all that should matter is would we be in this current predicament now, post the Afghanistan disaster, the food shortages, inflation, etc.

It is wild to see so many once war hating liberals that shamed the middle east wars now saying we should not make peace with our enemies, take a hard stance and even start ww3 with Russia. Tribalism is a wild and crazy thing in it's ability to make people take stances that they otherwise normally would never have: "Oh, what's that, Trump wants to be friends with Russia? And since I hat the orange man, I now want to nuke Russia!". The duopoly sucks, it should not exist, but it does, and the only choices we have are Biden or Trump.
Click to expand...
Well trump sure as hell messed up Afghanistan and escalated tensions with Iran, why would you think he’d do any better with a crisis like this.

Biden is actually handeling this conflict very well as mentioned before.
 
So Fresh said:
Well trump sure as hell messed up Afghanistan and escalated tensions with Iran, why would you think he’d do any better with a crisis like this.

Biden is actually handeling this conflict very well as mentioned before.
Click to expand...
So do you think Putin is at war with Ukraine even if Trump is in office?

I dont know what the definitive answer is, butt it is food for thought.
 
That he's a criminal and a fraud and he always has been.
 
What is clear

- Trump had the US up for sale.

Normal country to country negotiations can be very expensive. You want billions and we want billions and maybe a deal gets made. Or complicated Political quid pro quo's get exchanged. With Trump one could just offer him a new Trump Tower in Moscow or Bejing and he would gladly give away Trillions of tax payer value or promise to disband Nato, or abandon allies in Syria to Turkey (when his Turkey assets were threatened).

- Putin did not act as Trump was doing all his dirty work for him.

Both Manafort and Rudy were in Ukraine working hard for Putin Oligarch to get him back in charge of the Ukrainian O&G sector. It was a great grift Putin he never forgave losing. Rudy and Manafort wanted to help re-establish it but make sure Trump and Co were in for their cut of the Billions that flow thru it.

Plan A was to beat up and threaten the Ukrainian gov't and make them know Trump and the US might abandon them if a deal was not done. This was the same play book Trump and jared used to shake down Qatar for $1B to save Jared's family bankrupt real estate empire. And just as Trump threatened to support Saudi invading our ally Qatar, that was the plan for Ukraine.

Step 2, if Ukraine did not just cave and give them a great deal and put Putin's Oligarch back in charge would have been to have the US support the Russian invasion as Trump did the Saudi one of Qatar.

Putin did not act as it made zero sense to, but I am sure now he knows what a bumbling fool Trump proved to be, he wishes he did.
 
GeneTunney7 said:
So do you think Putin is at war with Ukraine even if Trump is in office?

I dont know what the definitive answer is, butt it is food for thought.
Click to expand...
He would not need to be.

If Ukraine did not just fold under Trump pressure and give Putin what he wanted, Trump would have found reason to leave NATO (which would destroy it) and declare Ukraine Nazi's real for Putin, and to support Russia's bid.

In the face of that not even a united EU could act against the Russian threat as the US could veto everything and buy up all Russian oil cheaper (allowing Trump to claim how good that was for US economy) and the Ukrainians ability to resist would be near none.

If they dared to fight due to pride they would quickly run out weapons and supplies and be crushed, so they would capitulate.
 
He gave NATO a kick in the ass, which it needed, to be honest. Europe had gotten very lax with its military spending, which has directly led to Putin being emboldened to a point where he finally has launched a full-scale invasion on European soil, believing that nobody in Europe dares to oppose him.

Europe just couldn't get its shit together in time. U.S. leaders should've called them out years earlier. Problem is that a lot of the establishment US politicians believe that a weak, dependent Europe is in America's best interests.
 
blaseblah said:
Trump doesn't even like NATO. He has no real principled stand on these issues. He says whatever he feels like at the moment but his actual policy is whatever his advisors come up with.
Click to expand...

That’s interesting.

I like the takes that the anti-Trump crowd makes.

Eveything is liar liar and feeling based nonsense that doesn’t matter in any meaningful way.

Did Trump dislike NATO, it sure as hell seemed like it. Does it matter? No, not one bit.

Did he pressure NATO members to spend more of their money on defense, and to put more money into NATO specifically because of Russia? Yes, he absolutely did.

These are facts, and whether or not you like him, NATO member nations spending more on their defense and being pressed to consider their defense even more is a good thing.

It doesn’t matter whatsoever whether he “likes” NATO or not. In fact, it’s fully irrelevant.

Did he piss off our allies because of his brash, crass, public behavior, totally. Does it fucking matter? Absolutely not. They are still our allies and as we can see, they are still running to us when they need help, and they are still sharing information with our government, despite what those allies said at the moment when Trump hurt their feelings, and despite how the media ran with that bullshit.
 
Last edited:
Mark McMichael said:
He would not need to be.

If Ukraine did not just fold under Trump pressure and give Putin what he wanted, Trump would have found reason to leave NATO (which would destroy it) and declare Ukraine Nazi's real for Putin, and to support Russia's bid.

In the face of that not even a united EU could act against the Russian threat as the US could veto everything and buy up all Russian oil cheaper (allowing Trump to claim how good that was for US economy) and the Ukrainians ability to resist would be near none.

If they dared to fight due to pride they would quickly run out weapons and supplies and be crushed, so they would capitulate.
Click to expand...

It’s amazing how everyone knows what would have happened off in imagination land, and somehow it’s only ever an outcome that makes Trump look bad in their eyes.
 
Con man that conned his way to the highest office. Promised everything and delivered very little, although that's pretty much every president these days.
 
andnowweknow said:
Ftfy

giphy.webp
Click to expand...
Lol, are those flames shooped, or is that real?!
 
Trump was a wildcard, I don't think Putin wanted to risk invading Ukraine with someone like him as president. Trump would be tempted to enter a war with Russia which would give him an excuse to hold onto power after his term was up.
 
thebesteva21 said:
100% agree. Sherdog to me has always been about finding a middle ground, and now it’s more liberal then a 2023 Disney film. I haven’t seen a right wing poster in what feels like forever in here
Click to expand...
Several have posted in this very thread before you did.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

MicroBrew
Elections Trump pushes Nikki Haley birther theory that she is ineligible due to foreign born parents
6 7 8
Replies
140
Views
5K
jefferz
jefferz

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
1,238,779
Messages
55,585,719
Members
174,831
Latest member
Konster1

Share this page

Back
Top