International What is the truth behind Donald Trump?

[Whippy McGee]

Trump?

Didn't cut spending as he should have. It was a real miss. Also, following Fauci and the rest of those fucks was a real bad move. He did really well on Foreign Policy, the border, racial matters, and Small Businesses. Trump was a solid 8/10.

Seeing all the haters spew their pent up venom is awesome. That Orange Man really hurt some of your minds.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I know it's not real. I want it to be real, but it's not...dammit.

Oh my bad

 

[So Fresh]

He gave NATO a kick in the ass, which it needed, to be honest. Europe had gotten very lax with its military spending, which has directly led to Putin being emboldened to a point where he finally has launched a full-scale invasion on European soil, believing that nobody in Europe dares to oppose him.

Europe just couldn't get its shit together in time. U.S. leaders should've called them out years earlier. Problem is that a lot of the establishment US politicians believe that a weak, dependent Europe is in America's best interests.

But the military spending increasing was not during Trump term but after the invasion of Ukraine by Putin. So Trump wasn’t really responsible for that, Putin was.

 

[So Fresh]

So do you think Putin is at war with Ukraine even if Trump is in office?

I dont know what the definitive answer is, butt it is food for thought.

Yes probably and Trump would’ve helped Putin in some way or another

 

[TheGreatA]

But the military spending increasing was not during Trump term but after the invasion of Ukraine by Putin. So Trump wasn’t really responsible for that, Putin was.

I've heard different from most sources:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...up-defense-spending-after-pressure-from-trump

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/nato-allies-now-spend-50-billion-more-defense-2016

What tends to be forgotten though is that Bush and Obama had already been pressuring other NATO countries to spend more during their respective terms, the difference was that Trump's statements became more publicized, just like all of his statements, really.

Other NATO countries slacking on military spending was the official US position well before Trump ever emerged.

 

[So Fresh]

I've heard different from most sources:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...up-defense-spending-after-pressure-from-trump

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/nato-allies-now-spend-50-billion-more-defense-2016

What tends to be forgotten though is that Bush and Obama had already been pressuring other NATO countries to spend more during their respective terms, the difference was that Trump's statements became more publicized, just like all of his statements, really.

Other NATO countries slacking was the official US position well before Trump ever emerged.

Okay didn’t know they already started that, then Putin’s invasion increased it even more. Germany for instance is now investing billions into defence to meet the 2% norm

 

[TheGreatA]

Okay didn’t know they already started that, then Putin’s invasion increased it even more. Germany for instance is now investing billions into defence to meet the 2% norm

They're definitely going to take it to another level now. It would be fair to say that while Trump gave NATO countries a kick in the ass, Putin now has rolled tanks onto their front yard.

There's simply no way for Europe to act as it did, sleepy and ignorant in the face of a growing threat, becoming resource dependent on a country clearly positioning itself as our enemy. Every country must have a functional military of its own in order to proceed, the idea of relying on hollow promises by Americans to spill their blood in our stead, never stood on firm ground.

If there's to be fighting, then the fighting is to be done by us, just like Ukraine is showing. The US might ship guns and some specialists but that's all you can ask for.

 

[Ruprecht]

Sure, Trump was right about NATO and his adversarial stance prompted more action than the previous attempts at diplomacy. The Trump administration made it clear how completely unreliable the US is as an ally, and how decades long diplomatic ties and agreements can easily be discarded by administrations as fickle as US internal politics.
Of course that only started the discussion of rearming and less unipolar alliances, Putin's invasion of the Ukraine has fast tracked it.
I don't for a minute believe Putin wouldn't have invaded the Ukraine under a Trump administration though, although he might not have acted without the pandemic. Gambling that economic sanctions would be limited because the pandemic already has economies destabilised.

 

[horc00]

Putin had a respect for Trump.

 

[horc00]

Are you really foolish enough to think Trump's first and last interest was not Trump?

Yes they are.

 

[Crawler89]

He was a good partner to NATO. Maybe even the greatest
No body does NATO like him.
After world war 2 he said to his friend "why don't we do some kind of treaty so this doesn't happen again can we look into that...maybe call it nato or something more catchier"

 

[SandisLL]

I suspect that Kremlin does have info very usable to blackmail Trump.

Kremlin had mastered and polished info collection about ppl: anything usable to blackmail ppl.
Like mafia too btw...

Looks that about Reagan they didn't had such info.

Blackmail is not less powerful tool than bullets.
If someone knows things about you that might destroy you if will get known in public....then.

Btw smugglers, mafia etc too used blackmail as powerful tool.
Not rare cases that in order to blackmail ppl special provocations are done, then evidences collected and ...material to blackmail someone is ready.

In USSR both: underground business and KGB had polished this till highest level.

 

[kenetics]

Dude ripped those students off with his fake university lol.

 

[Yotsuya]

For Russia he was the useful fool. For China he was just what the world needed. (Well on paper at least, because the minute he tweeted about lab lack theory that shit got buried deep by the anti-Trump media.)

 

[AWilder]

i did not get in a wreck when i had a blue car but i did when i had a red car. so its obvious that blue cars are better and i never would have gotten in a wreck if i had one.

My grandpa died under Obama, my grandma died under trump. This is connected.

 

[dittohead84]

You're never going to convince the brainwashed orange man bad people. It's like discussing giving up smoking to a stubborn addict. Instead of nicotene, their drug is the bullshit the media feeds them. They are automatically on the defensive and can snap because you are attempting to disrupt their fix.

It's a situation where they will have to find out for themselves, and a lot of the time they wish they did sooner.

True story.

 

[Octavian]

i havnt been on this far left cesspool of a website ...

I lol'ed

 

[Octavian]

I suspect that Kremlin does have info very usable to blackmail Trump.

Kremlin had mastered and polished info collection about ppl: anything usable to blackmail ppl.
Like mafia too btw...

Looks that about Reagan they didn't had such info.

Blackmail is not less powerful tool than bullets.
If someone knows things about you that might destroy you if will get known in public....then.

Btw smugglers, mafia etc too used blackmail as powerful tool.
Not rare cases that in order to blackmail ppl special provocations are done, then evidences collected and ...material to blackmail someone is ready.

In USSR both: underground business and KGB had polished this till highest level.

Yeah - this is painfully obvious.... Trump has been washing Russian money through his real estate for 20+ years.

 

[Huckleberry McRib]

I suspect that Kremlin does have info very usable to blackmail Trump.

Kremlin had mastered and polished info collection about ppl: anything usable to blackmail ppl.
Like mafia too btw...

Looks that about Reagan they didn't had such info.

Blackmail is not less powerful tool than bullets.
If someone knows things about you that might destroy you if will get known in public....then.

Btw smugglers, mafia etc too used blackmail as powerful tool.
Not rare cases that in order to blackmail ppl special provocations are done, then evidences collected and ...material to blackmail someone is ready.

In USSR both: underground business and KGB had polished this till highest level.

But they have nothing on the Demonrats? They are immune from all this masterful info collecting and blackmail at the highest level?

 

[Mark McMichael]

Putin had a respect for Trump.

I don't know man.

I think there is a level "respect" earned from the 'handler' when the subject truly commits.