International [NATO News] What Sweden brings to NATO as its Newest Member

[12ga.]

I don't hate Turkey.

But my hot take is that Thanksgiving food is pretty overrated.

Buy a ham next time.

 

[PEB]

I would not be surprised if Russia bombing a shopping mall with thousands of people then denying it even though it's obvious he realizes he cannot rely on Russia.

 

[Badr Hari]

I would not be surprised if Russia bombing a shopping mall with thousands of people then denying it even though it's obvious he realizes he cannot rely on Russia.

what connects him with russia is economic interest. (their dependency on the millions of russians who go over there as their number one destination for tourism)
as for relying on them geopolitically, god forbid, erdogan and everyone around russia are well aware how reliable they can be now seeing their effort in the brother-killing war in Ukraine.

 

[Halge]

Tukey gets everything she wanted. Say what you want about Erdogan, he's hell of a diplomat. Poor Kurds always get fucked lol

 

[Bald1]

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Never mind.

What? I'm legit interested in your opinion.

 

[Snowblindlove]

I would not be surprised if Russia bombing a shopping mall with thousands of people then denying it even though it's obvious he realizes he cannot rely on Russia.

Lol at buying that BS story. You will see when you meet God how deluded you were

what connects him with russia is economic interest. (their dependency on the millions of russians who go over there as their number one destination for tourism)
as for relying on them geopolitically, god forbid, erdogan and everyone around russia are well aware how reliable they can be now seeing their effort in the brother-killing war in Ukraine.

If the Swedes and Fins rolled over on the Kurdish issue then that is immense for Erdogan. Kurdish financing from abroad and internal power threatens to fracture Turkey. People forget the Kurds are heavily armed and border Syrian kurds and Iraqi Kurds and Iranian Kurds. They could cause a civil war or successfully even break off a quarter of Turkey the south east.

Erdogan seeks weaponry, money and the end to the external Kurdish financing that comes from many EU states to opposition to him

 

[Bacco]

Tukey gets everything she wanted. Say what you want about Erdogan, he's hell of a diplomat. Poor Kurds always get fucked lol

Tbh reality is kurds interests simply became irrelevant compared to the need single nations under russian threat have to join NATO, and as big concession all this seems to be, give up ideological gimmicks for pratical reward is what you do if shit get serious

See how NATO behave as if their hands are very tied (wich imho is half lie) about support Ukraine more directly, become part of NATO prevent to end up in same situation

One can say Erdogan has been smart to realize other side could not refuse anything, but that's about it

 

[Badr Hari]

If the Swedes and Fins rolled over on the Kurdish issue then that is immense for Erdogan. Kurdish financing from abroad and internal power threatens to fracture Turkey. People forget the Kurds are heavily armed and border Syrian kurds and Iraqi Kurds and Iranian Kurds. They could cause a civil war or successfully even break off a quarter of Turkey the south east.

Erdogan seeks weaponry, money and the end to the external Kurdish financing that comes from many EU states to opposition to him

Great for Turkey than. And great for Sweden and Finland if they can proceed with their sign up in NATO. I saw russians on their social media had a meltdown tonight lol "three free bayraktars for ukraine and no veto for the swedes and fins in one day from the beloved turkish friends" some of them calling for russian authorities to arm kurds now lol

 

[Arkain2K]

Turkey supports Finland and Sweden's NATO bid
By George Wright | BBC News | 28 June 2022

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NATO member Turkey has agreed to support Sweden and Finland's membership of the alliance.

It had initially opposed the Nordic countries' bids to join.

Turkey was angered by what it saw as their willingness to host Kurdish militants. Sweden and Finland could not join Nato without Turkey's support.

Russia strongly opposes the two states joining and has used the expansion of the West's defensive military alliance as a pretext for its war in Ukraine.

But Moscow's invasion has had the opposite effect, with the path now clear for the two countries to join Nato.

Foreign ministers from the three countries signed a joint security pact that addressed Turkey's concerns.

Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg said Sweden agreed to step up its work on Turkish extradition requests of suspected militants.

The two Nordic nations will also lift their restrictions on selling weapons to Turkey, he said.

Finland's President Niinisto said the three countries signed the joint memorandum "to extend their full support against threats to each other's security".

Sweden's Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said it was "a very important step for Nato".

Turkey President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's office said it "got what it wanted" from Sweden and Finland.

The two Nordic nations announced their intentions to join Nato in May, in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Mr Stoltenberg had suggested the process could move "very quickly" as they already shared a close relationship with the alliance.

But that was not the case as Nato member Turkey accused the two countries of protecting Kurdish militants and said they would not back their membership. Any Nato enlargement must be approved by all 30 members.

Turkey has long accused Sweden of harbouring what it calls militants from the banned Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), but Stockholm denies it.

Now the two countries have agreed to some of Turkey's demands, and militants will face a crackdown under amendments to Swedish and Finnish law.

If Sweden and Finland do become members, it will end over 200 years of Swedish non-alignment. Finland adopted neutrality following a bitter defeat by the Soviet Union during World War Two.

Finnish public support for joining Nato was for years at around 20-25%. But since Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it has shot up to a record high of 79%, according to the latest opinion poll. In Sweden, 60% of the population say it was right to apply, again far higher than before the war.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61971858.amp

 

[lsa]

What? I'm legit interested in your opinion.

Too late, ;-)
It was a bit about Sweden and the "supporting terrorist" stuff.
There has been some fake copy/paste stuff that been floating around to "prove" Sweden supports terrorists.
It was complete BS.
Sweden's left does have a weird relationship to the kurds fight for independents but does not support PKK.
Many Kurds are voting and politically active on the left.
Its (PKK) as a terror organization both in Sweden as in rest of EU.

As we see now it was not really a problem for Turkey. It was always about scoring some other deal.
I expect us to see some military hardware deal showing up in a near future.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Uh oh. Our alt right posters are going to hate this news.

 

[Bald1]

Too late, ;-)
It was a bit about Sweden and the "supporting terrorist" stuff.
There has been some fake copy/paste stuff that been floating around to "prove" Sweden supports terrorists.
It was complete BS.
Sweden's left does have a weird relationship to the kurds fight for independents but does not support PKK.
Many Kurds are voting and politically active on the left.
Its (PKK) as a terror organization both in Sweden as in rest of EU.

As we see now it was not really a problem for Turkey. It was always about scoring some other deal.
I expect us to see some military hardware deal showing up in a near future.

Got it, thanks.

Propaganda will propaganda. And claiming Sweden is a terrorist haven is clearly bunk. But all sorts of bs will be thrown at walls to get a desired result. Is normal.

 

[12ga.]

Lol at buying that BS story. You will see when you meet God how deluded you were


If the Swedes and Fins rolled over on the Kurdish issue then that is immense for Erdogan. Kurdish financing from abroad and internal power threatens to fracture Turkey. People forget the Kurds are heavily armed and border Syrian kurds and Iraqi Kurds and Iranian Kurds. They could cause a civil war or successfully even break off a quarter of Turkey the south east.

Erdogan seeks weaponry, money and the end to the external Kurdish financing that comes from many EU states to opposition to him

So many EU states coulda extracted goodies for this. Croatian pres tried but stupid parliament didn't understand. I bow to Erdogan's skills.

It's like BLM I may not agree with them on anything - but hundreds of millions in corporate hustle has to be appreciated. Maybe cuz my dad was a shop steward for a large union. I dunno but I like leverage used.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

solid hustle from Erdogan.

 

[Prutfis]

 

[12ga.]

Moment of truth..Let's see how much Finland wants to join..

 

[SandisLL]

Too late, ;-)
It was a bit about Sweden and the "supporting terrorist" stuff.
There has been some fake copy/paste stuff that been floating around to "prove" Sweden supports terrorists.
It was complete BS.
Sweden's left does have a weird relationship to the kurds fight for independents but does not support PKK.
Many Kurds are voting and politically active on the left.
Its (PKK) as a terror organization both in Sweden as in rest of EU.

As we see now it was not really a problem for Turkey. It was always about scoring some other deal.
I expect us to see some military hardware deal showing up in a near future.

This of course.
Donald attempted to sell them modernised F-16 and include Turkey in F-35 program as customers in waiting list + sell them Patriot for high price.

Turkey negotiated to buy C-400 from Russia for lower price.
Also one MRLS (?) deal failed cos U.S weren't will to sell them something....and Turkey negotiated with China...

Then angry Donald excluded them from fighter's programme..

Btw the same stuff Donald did with Saudi Arabia, here looks that was simpler thing : attemted to sell for very high price Patriots and F-35.
Death Prince asked for discounts for Patriots.
Donald excluded them from F-35 customers waiting list.
Therefore now Death Prince, Emirates and Kuwait are rekuctant to increase crude oil production!

It is reality more likely than all loud talks for public....

 

[SandisLL]

BTW if about current talks in lazy NATO with old dude from Norway....

___
Maybe someone from financial sector and someone from military had explained some things to swedes, finns and ECB....

Looks that Estonian PM really had disclosed NATO plans they had for Baltic countries and there vuala outcome for everyone in EU might had happened...
_
For example looks that old nerds had gameplan to remove foreigners and let Russia to annex them...
2004-2021 gameplan. Kindergarden level.
After this....prepare some months and ofc, don't be delusional...shell these areas with missiles etc and attempt to tackle Russia out.
IMHO if thinking really...with missiles...
_
While...
Looks that they didn't took in accoount nor number of foreigners in these countries, not % of businesses, mortgage and land property and banking sector owned by foreigners + financial impact on EU...

 

[SandisLL]

For example to deNazify Sweden and Finland for cheap ....they even don't need to control all Estonia...
All they need is to get control over some islands and Tallin.

From Tallin. Helsinki might be deNazified for cheap with Smerch/ Tornado launchers....
With a glance during 2 weeks after launchers will be installed in Tallin...
From icelands: comfortable option with little problems launch cruise missiles and Iskander missiles on Sweden and Finland.
Not alone that with just annexion westerners will lost more $ than famous 40b U.S supposed program for ukr....
Really more...especially if to talk about long term loss and ....impact on ECB targets....Damn...
This about just Estonia.

 

[SandisLL]

Next thing about reality....not mass media mainstream for average joe...
While west ....really does have financial(!) and some imperialistic +huge historical reasons why they want to get Baltic countries under them...( btw a lot is SOLD to tem today !) ...
Russia just is using their own history versions and propaganda to justify their " rights ".

" rights " they had was...
To have silos with nuclear armed missiles installed and ....batteries with nuclear armed cruise missiles....

Where they were aimed...wasn't secret ...
Some nuclear power plants and ports + cities in U.K.
From cities : Bristol and London....
Paris and 2 ports in France...
Reprocessing plant in France.
Frankfurt in Germany and some other nice objects.

Some objects in Belgium and Netherlands ..

All programmed already, panel with keys to insert and enter code. ...
Short warning time ....

In Lituania one object was just a bit to help deNazify U.K...
Silos...hardened....deep...
Maybe old cats now does have dream to install again..