'"Super fights" are a cancer to the sport

[StonedLemur]

UFC made money by selling PPV featuring "championship fights". I'm guessing casuals fell for that.

True, but they ripped a piece of the soul out when it stopped being the best vs the beat like you were saying sir.

They sold that soul for PPV buys and lining their own pockets, at a cost of course.

 

[Bigmoney4166]

nope.

Conor was the first (Since Dana did not allow Aldo to do it). Then we got DC, Amanda and Izzy.

You're wrong lol

 

[StonedLemur]

They're a bit of fun, and respect to the guy who moves up to take on a champ above them, that takes balls (and yes Izzy did this very recently haters)

Oh fooey lol

 

[markg171]

Actually they made BJ vacate his LW title before fighting Hughes sir.
And they told Randy the same, and Aldo too.

No they didn't. BJ was not the LW champ when he fought Hughes. He had drawn with Uno for the vacant belt and never won it in the first place. The division didn't even exist, the UFC scrapped it after that shit show. BJ was nothing when he fought Hughes, and pretty much got the fight simply off the basis that Hughes had nobody to fight after 5 defences.

And that's completely irrelevant to the fact that BJ was the reigning champ when he fought GSP which was the fight in question that I was talking about as that's the champ vs champ fight. He never had to vacate anything, he went up as the reigning champ and then had to go right back down and defend against Florian as if nothing had ever happened.

Except something had. He'd gotten his ass kicked. Hence why the UFC went so long between trying it again.

 

[StonedLemur]

Super fights are fantastic for the most part.

The people who are willing to fight anyone at any weight are ultimately what the sport is all about.

Fight anyone at any weight... absolutely.
Not get title fights just because though, that's not it.

These guys fight like once or twice a year and nobody fights enough to defend both belts and keep the division moving forward.

 

[StonedLemur]

No they didn't. BJ was not the LW champ when he fought Hughes. He had drawn with Uno for the vacant belt and never won it in the first place. The division didn't even exist, the UFC scrapped it after that shit show. BJ was nothing when he fought Hughes, and pretty much got the fight simply off the basis that Hughes had nobody to fight after 5 defences.

And that's completely irrelevant to the fact that BJ was the reigning champ when he fought GSP which was the fight in question that I was talking about as that's the champ vs champ fight. He never had to vacate anything, he went up as the reigning champ and then had to go right back down and defend against Florian as if nothing had ever happened.

Except something had. He'd gotten his ass kicked. Hence why the UFC went so long between trying it again.

They never would let a guy hold 2 belts at one time...Randy said it and im positive he knows more than me and you about the inner workings of the company.

They also told Aldo he had to vacate to move up.

 

[Local Plata]

gsp/penn happened years before that. also had pettis booked against aldo but pettis got injured. that said, you’re also forgetting cejudo/dillashaw, and hendo’s two Pride belt unification fights at 185 and 205.

penn also had half-claim to the lightweight throne when the division was scrapped and he jumped to 170 and beat hughes.

GSP wasn't a superfight, that was just a welterweight fight after BJ returned to the UFC after fighting elsewhere. He left in 2003 after failing to get the LW belt over a number of years, the division wasn't scrapped until after the unofficial title fight between yves edwards and josh thompson in in august of 2004, BJ hadn't even fought at LW since 03 when he beat Gomi in Hawaii, he had been fighting at welterweight and above since the first Hughes fight.

 

[ferrisjso]

Sure, some great moments came from it, but overall all they do is derail both weight classes.
if you're a champion that wants to move up, vacate your title and move up the ladder like everybody else.
now, i know this will not happen, but it's free and nice to dream with a fight promotion that put's fairness and tradition above corporate greed.

Yup.

They should only happen if both divisions are cleaned out(which almost has never been the case). Also no one should ever be allowed to fight for 3 belts we need to stop this sport from becoming a game of musical chairs.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

GSP wasn't a superfight, that was just a welterweight fight after BJ returned to the UFC after fighting elsewhere.
He left in 2003 after failing to get the LW belt over a number of years, the division wasn't scrapped until after the unofficial title fight between yves edwards and josh thompson in in august of 2004, BJ hadn't even fought at LW since 03 when he beat Gomi in Hawaii, he had been fighting at welterweight and above since the first Hughes fight.

??????? bj was the reigning lightweight champion. i’m talking about their second fight.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

Sure, some great moments came from it, but overall all they do is derail both weight classes.
if you're a champion that wants to move up, vacate your title and move up the ladder like everybody else.
now, i know this will not happen, but it's free and nice to dream with a fight promotion that put's fairness and tradition above corporate greed.

Charles is a cancer to the 155 division

 

[Local Plata]

??????? bj was the reigning lightweight champion. i’m talking about their second fight.

Ohhhh, my mistake. Their second fight had the excuse that 'lots of people thought BJ won' their first fight, at least.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Ohhhh, my mistake. Their second fight had the excuse that 'lots of people thought BJ won' their first fight, at least.

yeah that’s true. i personally thought gsp won the first fight but i don’t think i’ve watched it in over a decade. should rewatch that at some point

 

[Sweater of AV]

IMO,

you should ONLY be allowed to be a double champ if you fought and defended your belt 3 times.
Anything less, F off.
Also you should be mandated to fight and defend still at both classes.
If you happen in to win… you’re fighting every 6 months. No more stalling divisions and screwing everyone else over.

RIP in peace, bud. Some hilarious moments.

"The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long"

-Kenny Florian

 

[Jarvan]

Sure, some great moments came from it, but overall all they do is derail both weight classes.
if you're a champion that wants to move up, vacate your title and move up the ladder like everybody else.
now, i know this will not happen, but it's free and nice to dream with a fight promotion that put's fairness and tradition above corporate greed.

You're talking about moving weight classes, and calling it 'super fights'

It's been commonplace in combat sports for a very long time, particularly boxing.
The weight classes have smaller jumps between weight classes, and less pronounced in terms of advantages in boxing, but still, it's nothing new.

When you clean out a division and dismantle the number one guy in the fuckin world three times, it just clearly makes sense to talk about testing the waters.

Volk testing out lightweight is pretty much him wanting to cement his legacy as one of the greatest, and to entertain us

And unfortunately, you'll be sitting in the sidelines bitchin about other people attempting great things in life.

 

[Local Plata]

yeah that’s true. i personally thought gsp won the first fight but i don’t think i’ve watched it in over a decade. should rewatch that at some point

I don't see how anybody thinks BJ won, he literally did nothing in rounds 2 and 3. All of the damage in round 1 came from an eye poke and a grazing uppercut that hit gsp on the tip of the nose lol. But post fight Matt Lindland created the whole dumb debate by just saying 'But look at his face!'.

 

[Rationality]

Seems like It's generally a bad legacy move for champs to move up. Penn got beat up by GSP and Izzy got beat by Polish Power for example. Although McGregor was killing himself to make FW his career arguably plateaud and then began declining when he moved up. Holloway looked like a bum against Poirier too.

 

[Adamant]

I like super fights.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

nobody cares about boxing apart from fury or canelo.
everyone in boxing is 20-0 because a lot of buns make careers out of losing to "prospects"
also only the famous main eventers gets paid a lot, undercard guys ged paid scraps
mma needs to pay better, for sure. but boxing is not it pal, trust me

If you are talking about casuals, it's the same for mma. They only know Conor, Masvidal, and Diaz's name really. It's the hardcores that know the rest of the roster. Boxing has put on better fights for the past 2 years, boxing is pulling ahead again and mma community doesn't want to admit it. UFC is doing well but there's no real stars from UFC. The only real stars they have are on a losing streak.

 

[McGrubie]

Charles is a cancer to the 155 division

What a dumb thing to say. Dude is incredibly exciting and never in a boring fight. Let him chase a money fight who cares. He technically doesn’t even have the belt right now. Weird statement

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

What a dumb thing to say. Dude is incredibly exciting and never in a boring fight. Let him chase a money fight who cares. He technically doesn’t even have the belt right now. Weird statement

Not that, I am talking about him being a diva, anyone being a diva is a cancer to the sport.