Hello!
I remember you. You gave very rational thoughts in the Ukraine thread and you were good at military history!
I think it's a bit unfair that you use the USA as a yardstick to compare with a country like Sweden. It is true that if you look at the world, the violence in the Nordics seems like a trifle.
A decisive difference that Sweden do not see or experience is the social problems that you are facing. You have 2 parties with eternal rule, and as an observer you can only state that there are 2 camps of voters who are constantly egging each other on. Sweden do not experience the criticism of the police that you seem to struggle with. Do you have equally high requirements for those who apply with a gymnasium education as a minimum? Do you have several years of police training to be able to exercise the authority in a professional way? And last but not least, you obviously have big wounds from your young history that don't seem to heal and we have been able to see this from the outside world with BLM and other activity that clearly has the message that it is a troublesome relationship between whites and blacks. If you add these 3 together, I can better understand why you seem to have more violence than any other civilized democratic country, and therefore a comparison between the entire USA and Sweden is rather far-fetched.
USA is a completely different playing field and it would have been better if you had taken a well run state instead of the whole country. It is better to compare with other European countries under the same conditions. And just because I'm lazy to look up tables and other statistics, you have to try to understand my opinion and I can link you to BRÅ´s report that the government ordered 2 years ago
https://bra.se/publikationer/arkiv/...ld-i-sverige-och-andra-europeiska-lander.html (This is the report, a very long read is available as a PDF on this site)
Press conference where statistics are shown.
Sweden is at the top when it comes to fatal gun violence in Europe. The study compared fatal shootings with 22 other European countries over 19 years, between 2000 and 2019, and concluded that Sweden is at the highest level in Europe when it comes to fatal shooting violence. The increase reported by Sweden cannot be seen anywhere else in Europe. Sweden has moved from the bottom to the top in Europe's statistics. In the early 2000s, Sweden was at the bottom when it came to fatal gun violence in Europe. Since 2013, however, violence has increased sharply, and since 2018 Sweden is thus at the top.
And right now there is a consensus among all parties that it has to do with immigration from MENA countries for 30 years. To draw a comparison with the labor immigration Sweden had in the 1960s from, among other places, the Finns. During the 70s Sweden had an immigration of political shia muslim refugees from Iran. And during the war in Yugoslavia, Sweden received different nationalities from the Balkans. These 3 very different backgrounds and groupings have adapted well in Sweden.
For an American like you who experiences death every day and that it is almost part of everyday life, to a Sweden where crimes that did not exist before, and began to occur with the first immigration of muslims during the 90s is a big difference as the country is in a culture shock. The normal and well-adjusted people who remember the traditional and ordinary Sweden are right now in a process of acclimatizing themselves to an (I want to make it clear again) increasing violence and a mentality that does not show any kind of consideration in the completely new and different Sweden. The overall picture of the development of crime in Sweden is that certain types of crimes have increased significantly in recent decades.
From BRÅ´s report 2021.
- Sweden is the only European country where fatal gun violence has increased between 2000 and 2019. And in the last ten years, fatal violence has increased drastically by more than 50 percent, through an increase in male victims in the wake of gang settlements.
- Abuse in legal proceedings with threats against witnesses and an increasing reluctance to testify in criminal cases is a strong and growing problem.
- Due to the increased immigration, completely new types of crimes that have not existed in Sweden at all or have not been recorded for hundreds of years, have started to occur again. This applies, for example, to honor violence directed at young women, clan-based crime, both spontaneous and planned violence against rescue personnel, or gang rapes where the victim is a young man or a woman. In addition, there is an increasing number of robberies of the elderly and so-called humiliation robberies among younger perpetrators and victims, where the main purpose is the exercise of power rather than material abuse.
- There are also many cases where juvenile offenders are released prematurely or easily escape from youth care to commit new crimes. A clear pattern is that gangs and organized crime use underage as couriers and hired killers.
It's all about perspective and what you experience on a daily basis in the country you grew up in. If you're used to reading and hearing good things said by other nations, being used to order and a social structure that works and to face a new everyday life with long queues for hospital visits and perhaps not a hospital to be able to give birth at because it is full of the kind of families that have 7 kids or more, or to cycle home from work on a dark autumn day and nowadays must be aware and alert to threats that did not exist before.
And so the top of the whole thing, why should the Swedes accept this new everyday life with shootings every day? Is it meant for them to get used to it? Why is it so difficult to talk about reasons that are clearly visible instead of arguing and blaming the hostcountry? Do these human beings with a completely different view of life have no duty of responsibility? Can't they be held accountable and hear what most people want to shout out loud?
Can't you behave like normal people?
Sorry for a long text. Have a good evening.
