International European officials say 'sabotage' likely cause of suspicious Nord Stream leaks

[Poon Goon]

Think he should actually be commended for bringing up a topic and then expressing a desire to learn. I mean you don't find that refreshing at all? Most people decide to become experts the second anything happens.

Maybe you are right, I apologize. I just really dislike when people use BREAKING in a title and it's funny that he didn't know what he was BREAKING

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

The vast majority of European countries, you know the ones affected, believe Russia did it.

The complexity of this issue is clearly well beyond your thinking ability.

 

[Rod1]

The complexity of this issue is clearly well beyond your thinking ability.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

The vast majority of them realize them saying it was the US would be political suicide since they're the ones that have advocated for Pro US, Pro EU, Pro NATO stance. Not to mention German Chancellor Olaf Schulz was right next to Biden when he promised to put an end to to Nordstream 2 if Russia invaded. The Germans are probably in on it.

"The government would never do something so crazy and reckless"

 

[tramendous]

"The government would never do something so crazy and reckless"

They do plenty of dumb things but generally speaking are ultimately self preserving and dont like holding themselves to account.

 

[tramendous]

Cool, so if they are so afraid of the US, why would the US need to bomb the pipeline?

I really think youre a very shallow thinker and dont understand strategy or geopolitics. Theyre afraid of confronting the US on something like this because many of them are in on it but at the very least, are all complicit into making their countries pro-American. Its embarrassing for them. Theyd rather go along with 'its russia'. The US bombed the pipeline to undermine Russia and to make it so that europe especially germany doesnt budge to any pressure by Russia and its own population to negotiate and thereby resume gas supply.

Secondly this opens up US with a "tremendous opportunity"

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/wo...y/news-story/71fb1c9fb949ad3bb2d312eea5eacc22

So you have the US not only threatening to putting an end to the pipeline months ago with full knowledge of it with germany but are now bragging about how the destruction of it is now a tremendous opportunity for the US.

 

[Rod1]

I really think youre a very shallow thinker and dont understand strategy or geopolitics.

People who say that tend to believe the most stupid shit.

Theyre afraid of confronting the US on something like this because many if them are in on it but at the very least, are all complicit into making their countries pro-American.

If they are afraid of the USA why does the US needs to physically destroy the pipeline? why can't you answer this simple question?

Uts embarassing for them. Theyd rather go along with 'its russia'. DfThe US bombed the pipeline to undermine Russia and to make it so that europe especially germany doesnt budge to any pressure by Russia and its own population to negotiate and thereby resume gas supply.

Russia was the one that shutdown the pipeline and EU managed to get full stock reserves for the winter, the US also never needed to actually destroy the pipeline if they wanted to shut it down, they just need to sanction the financial institutions involved in the transaction.

Secondly this opens up US with a "tramendous opportunity"

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/wo...y/news-story/71fb1c9fb949ad3bb2d312eea5eacc22

"Im very smart"
*starts parroting Russian propaganda*

The whole "tremendous opportunity" catch-phrase is literally Russia Today take on the whole thing, maybe next time be smart enough to look up the actual source.

So you have the US not only threatening to putting an end to the pipeline months ago with full knowledge of it with germany but are now bragging about how the destruction of it is now a tremendous opportunity for the US.

1.- Again, the US can always put an end through sanctions, no Western financial institution is going to go against US sanctions.

2.- US isn't bragging, that's just Russian regurgitated propaganda which you are gladly eating up.

 

[tramendous]

People who say that tend to believe the most stupid shit.

I am sure people say it to you a lot.

If they are afraid of the USA why does the US needs to physically destroy the pipeline? why can't you answer this simple question?

I've literally answered this multiple times. In fact I even specifically answered it in the previous post. Here you go again:

Theyre afraid of confronting the US on something like this because many of them are in on it but at the very least, are all complicit into making their countries pro-American. Its embarrassing for them. Theyd rather go along with 'its russia'. The US bombed the pipeline to undermine Russia and to make it so that europe especially germany doesnt budge to any pressure by Russia and its own population to negotiate and thereby resume gas supply.

Russia was the one that shutdown the pipeline and EU managed to get full stock reserves for the winter, the US also never needed to actually destroy the pipeline if they wanted to shut it down, they just need to sanction the financial institutions involved in the transaction.

They shut it down to put pressure on Germany. Thats not the same as destroying it. The gas company can shut off your gas. Thats not the same as destroying the infrastructure that supplies your house with it.

"Im very smart"
*starts parroting Russian propaganda*

The whole "tremendous opportunity" catch-phrase is literally Russia Today take on the whole thing, maybe next time be smart enough to look up the actual source.

How is it a Russian catchphrase when its quoting Secretary of State Anthony Blinken?

1.- Again, the US can always put an end through sanctions, no Western financial institution is going to go against US sanctions.

What do you think is going to be the long term consequences if the US openly starts to sanction infrastructure and energy projects that benefits the EU? It would be smarter to just sabotage it and frame it as a Russian action because despite how obvious it is to anyone with a brain, the general public and especially the media would rather not confront such an insidious truth.

 

[Belaya Smert]

For all this speculation is the presumption we had the Navy Seals blow up the pipeline?

 

[Prutfis]

For all this speculation is the presumption we had the Navy Seals blow up the pipeline?

Lots of motives for lots of different countries. Who the fuck knows at this point. None of the candidates are above scummy tactics like this.

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[AWilder]

he do be crying behind the mask a lot

 

[Bia]

wouldn't surprise either US or Russia behind it. Strap on people and get ready for WW3

 

[emefer]

Professor dumbass. This guy just wants to get on the Jordan Peterson train wreck.

 

[giusti825]

Can you articulate your argument without the help of a YouTube video? I'm not watching something withe "meme" in the title.



That they can reach out and touch underwater infrastructure at will. That they can disrupt energy in multiple ways. Duh.

You guys would be infuriating laundromat owners for the mob. They sent all those guys in track suits to intemidate you, but you're still blaming the fire on the police lol!

This has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've read in a long time. The baltic sea is NATO controlled water. Russia has control of the valves. They can turn off the LNG any time they want without blowing up civilian infrastructure that makes them billions of dollars.

The message here was simple and it was from either the United States or a European nation not heavily dependent on Russian energy.

The message is it doesn't matter how much your people protest, they arent getting Russian LNG this winter, so you better stay the course in the war.

Why would Russia make the only move that completely kills their leverage in Europe?? Please try to think of who actually benefits before coming to such ridiculous conclusions. This doesn't benefit Russia at all. It does however benefit pro-war factions of NATO by decreasing the likelihood that European countries heavily dependent on Russian LNG back out of the sanctions due to public pressure.

 

[giusti825]

You do realize that NS2 was never operational right? the US doesn't needs to blow up a pipe when they can simply sanction the shit out of Gazprom.

Russia doesn't need to blow up a pipeline that they control the operational valves to....Nor would it be in their interest to expand the war to the baltic sea, which is NATO controlled water. Only someone who DOESN'T control the pipeline would do this as a means to prevent European governments from backing out of sanctions when things get rough on their people this winter.

 

[MicroBrew]

I really think youre a very shallow thinker and dont understand strategy or geopolitics. Theyre afraid of confronting the US on something like this because many of them are in on it but at the very least, are all complicit into making their countries pro-American. Its embarrassing for them. Theyd rather go along with 'its russia'. The US bombed the pipeline to undermine Russia and to make it so that europe especially germany doesnt budge to any pressure by Russia and its own population to negotiate and thereby resume gas supply.

Secondly this opens up US with a "tremendous opportunity"

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/wo...y/news-story/71fb1c9fb949ad3bb2d312eea5eacc22

So you have the US not only threatening to putting an end to the pipeline months ago with full knowledge of it with germany but are now bragging about how the destruction of it is now a tremendous opportunity for the US.

When Biden said the US would stop the pipeline, he obviously meant by the use of diplomatic and economic pressure. You don't really think he would advertise to the world that the US would physically sabotage the pipeline?

I've no opinion on who actually did it. On the surface it would seem this doesn't benefit Russia because if they wanted to stop the flow of gas, they could just shut it off at the source.

 

[SKYNET]

When Biden said the US would stop the pipeline, he obviously meant by the use of diplomatic and economic pressure. You don't really think he (Biden) would advertise to the world that the US would physically sabotage the pipeline?

You mean the geriatric that shits his pants and has no clue where he is or what he's doing half the time?


let's just say it's not out of the realm

 

[MicroBrew]

You mean the geriatric that shits his pants and has no clue where he is or what he's doing half the time?


let's just say it's not out of the realm

If he is just parroting what his handlers tell him, why would his handlers advertise to the world and give ammo to critics of the US?

 

[The XL]

"The government would never do something so crazy and reckless"

This. And does anyone from government ever get punished for doing things that make Ted Bundy look like a choir boy comparatively? Nope. Government is objectively filled with liars and criminals who are above the law. You'd be insane to believe a word they say