Did Pereira expose Adesanya and destroy his legacy?

[dmwalking]

Depends on how well izzy can bounce back.

His legacy will only be tarnished if he goes on a losing skid. But I can see him coming back and possibly winning the title back.
But I don’t think his legacy is done. He still has time.

 

[stacrafty]

The general feedback in the thread is that Izzy is a very good (albeit limited) fighter but his legacy as a great has been seriously undermined. I agree with that position.

If your argument is that weight = size but you agree that Fury is bigger than Ruiz who is equally heavy, then it's a contradiction on your part. I never claimed that you have to be tall and rangy to be a champion, only that champions tend to be taller and rangier than the division average. And that Izzy has been able to beat all of his much shorter/stubbier opponents but lost to men who almost matched him in these respects.

look, you're probably young, you might be stubborn, or you might actually have a real life learning disability.

So a few more things. When I post this:

"We just saw Volk destroy max. Khabib and Islam are stocky. Double champ DC short and stocky. CCC what's he? GSP...

And at the same time izzy, Jones, Max, Anderson.

So maybe.... it comes down to how each individual uses their physical gifts. Ie comes down to skills."

That is not cherry picking (like you accused me of), I have listed arguments / examples from both sides.

What you have done here

"Height and reach are aspects of size. Tyson Fury is much bigger than Andy Ruiz, despite them being very similar weights."

That is cherry picking.

So now, you have shot yourself showing you don't know what cherry picking means.

Now given there is something amiss here with your IQ, I'll tell try and help you out a bit with critical thinking.

When you come up with a theory like "height and reach = better fighter" and you think of Tyson Fury over Ruiz, you also need to think of examples that counter your theory. You need to validate what you are saying. You are obviously not smart enough for this.

Instantly it should come to mind given boxing - a counter example in Mike Tyson. But thats no hard and fast rule either, cause you have guys like Lennox Lewis, then Foreman, David Tua, then Klitschko etc etc...

which should lead you to what I have been saying all along, its down to skills and knowing how to use the natural attributes you are blessed with.

Now lay off sherdog, stop making a jackass of yourself, read some books, get outside go play a sport, join a bjj gym., do something. Continually posting here is just making you dumber.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

1. MMA greenhorn and clear underdog Pereira ended UFC P4P No.2 Izzy's 3 year, 5 consecutive defence MW title reign, having pushed him out of kickboxing 5.5 years prior. Izzy never really was the baddest MW on the planet.

2. Izzy can't be in the conversation for best MMA striker anymore as he's 0-3 (2 by KO) against a kickboxer, who he had most success wrestling against.

3. Izzy isn't a "P4P" fighter as he evidently can't win without a massive height and reach advantage (Jan, Alex).

4. Izzy's general wrestling/submission game is poor. An elite wrestler (of which there are currently none at MW) would likely beat him; no wrestler worth their salt should be taken down by Alex, or only secure one TD against him as a result of Alex's botched TD.

Stupid thread. Israel almost KO ed him in the first and was winning that fight. Pereira is just very powerful and is dangerous until the end.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

No joke. Many responses in this thread are perfect examples.

Stopped reading after the first page. How do you even mod this cesspool without getting CTE?

 

[jsbx45]

OMG here we go. Izzy never that good. Izzy always sucked. He never fought legit competition up until now. He never defended. He never fought a legit wrestler. He never fought a legit Striker. He has now been exposed and was never a legit champ. Just another paper champ.
Pipe down TS, you were never Izzy's friend.

 

[funkjunky]

Izzy wasn't exposed but Alex re affirmed everyone's suspicion, that izzy just like Jon jones is a fighter who takes advantage of his genes, and wins fights mostly based on bullying much smaller fighters.


In a more even fight he looks less than regular and has lost 2 times to Jan and now Alex.


Izzy is overhyped, especially as the greatest striker of all time, but he is good at what he does which is hit and run, sticking and moving. A real world class striker creates the holes and exploits them, not just runs circles and waits to counter though imo.

The few fights perreira has had in the ufc already qualify him as a better striker than izzy imo.

I agree but mma seems to just be that way. The best in the division are usually just gifted being able to reach a loweelr weight

 

[stacrafty]

Izzy's stubby opponents also had good attributes but he was still able to beat all of them, whereas opponents who almost match him for height and reach consistently beat him, I don't think it's a coincidence. Would Alex with Costa's reach have beaten Izzy? He was favoured to beat Jan and Alex too, the "experts" believed he was better than he was.

Move one up the p4p list

"Volks tall opponents also had good attributes but he was still able to beat all of them, whereas opponents who almost match him for height and reach consistently (come close to) beating him, I don't think it's a coincidence. Would Max if he where less lanky have beaten Volk? "

You are getting hung up on Izzy's height, when theres tonnes of examples of dominant fighters who are tall like Izzy, tonnes who are short and stocky, and tonnes in between.

You, for whatever reason, are like a scratched record, stuck on this because you lack any ability to critically think.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Stopped reading after the first page. How do you even mod this cesspool without getting CTE?

A lot of beer.

 

[chardog]

Adesanya is a very good fighter, but he will never be among the greats and there is nothing wrong with that.

like it or not, he's already among the greats, he has 7 title fights that he's won, that's more than a lot of legends of the sports, probably top 10 of all weight classes as it is.

 

[Shilajit]

Izzy wasn't exposed but Alex re affirmed everyone's suspicion, that izzy just like Jon jones is a fighter who takes advantage of his genes, and wins fights mostly based on bullying much smaller fighters.


In a more even fight he looks less than regular and has lost 2 times to Jan and now Alex.


Izzy is overhyped, especially as the greatest striker of all time, but he is good at what he does which is hit and run, sticking and moving. A real world class striker creates the holes and exploits them, not just runs circles and waits to counter though imo.

The few fights perreira has had in the ufc already qualify him as a better striker than izzy imo.

So basically Izzy was never that good

This post is almost as bad as the OP which is saying a lot.

 

[Shilajit]

Jake Paul is beating washed up MMA fighters, it's not like he waltzed into boxing proper and KO'd Bivol.

To everyone on fighter's row, Adesanya was representing the UFC, Poatan kickboxing. Whether it's right or wrong, that's how it was seen.

Not sure why you seem to think that you speak for every fighter at the arena with such confidence.

They witnessed a crazy fight and stoppage of a great champion. Nothing more.

You're creating an imaginary narrative that doesn't exist anywhere else except your own mind.

 

[mudrubble]

sorry your boyfriend lost.
Actual go watch his past fights, his performances are god awful outside the few I mentioned.
Try watching them on mute (so fanboys like Rogan/DC don't cloud your judgement).

Lol, you're hilarious, dude. I'll hope to see more of your scathing tyrades masquerading as "posts". I had some great laughs. The character you're playing is a good one, and is needed on these boards. We appreciate you.

 

[Deleted member 579771]

1. MMA greenhorn and clear underdog Pereira ended UFC P4P No.2 Izzy's 3 year, 5 consecutive defence MW title reign, having pushed him out of kickboxing 5.5 years prior. Izzy never really was the baddest MW on the planet.

2. Izzy can't be in the conversation for best MMA striker anymore as he's 0-3 (2 by KO) against a kickboxer, who he had most success wrestling against.

3. Izzy isn't a "P4P" fighter as he evidently can't win without a massive height and reach advantage (Jan, Alex).

4. Izzy's general wrestling/submission game is poor. An elite wrestler (of which there are currently none at MW) would likely beat him; no wrestler worth their salt should be taken down by Alex, or only secure one TD against him as a result of Alex's botched TD.

He doesn't have a "legacy" to begin with. He is just MMA fighter, we had them a lot and will have more, and every good fighter thinks that he is some kind of great scientist, or humanitarian to have a "legacy'. Muhammed Ali has a legacy, but it is not because of his fights, but because of his life.
Also if we talk about appreciation of a fighter, losses don't destroy anything. We all know how good was Spider, Roy Jones, and everybody who knows mma knew that Adesanya is overrated.

 

[NEETzschean]

Move one up the p4p list

"Volks tall opponents also had good attributes but he was still able to beat all of them, whereas opponents who almost match him for height and reach consistently (come close to) beating him, I don't think it's a coincidence. Would Max if he where less lanky have beaten Volk? "

You are getting hung up on Izzy's height, when theres tonnes of examples of dominant fighters who are tall like Izzy, tonnes who are short and stocky, and tonnes in between.

You, for whatever reason, are like a scratched record, stuck on this because you lack any ability to critically think.

No one ever said that there weren't champion fighters who were stubbier than the division average you cretinous fanboy, only that it's generally an advantage to have more range than your opponent and that Izzy has failed against multiple opponents he doesn't have a significant length advantage over, while being able to handle everyone substantially shorter and stubbier than himself.

 

[NEETzschean]

look, you're probably young, you might be stubborn, or you might actually have a real life learning disability.

So a few more things. When I post this:

"We just saw Volk destroy max. Khabib and Islam are stocky. Double champ DC short and stocky. CCC what's he? GSP...

And at the same time izzy, Jones, Max, Anderson.

So maybe.... it comes down to how each individual uses their physical gifts. Ie comes down to skills."

That is not cherry picking (like you accused me of), I have listed arguments / examples from both sides.

What you have done here

"Height and reach are aspects of size. Tyson Fury is much bigger than Andy Ruiz, despite them being very similar weights."

That is cherry picking.

So now, you have shot yourself showing you don't know what cherry picking means.

Now given there is something amiss here with your IQ, I'll tell try and help you out a bit with critical thinking.

When you come up with a theory like "height and reach = better fighter" and you think of Tyson Fury over Ruiz, you also need to think of examples that counter your theory. You need to validate what you are saying. You are obviously not smart enough for this.

Instantly it should come to mind given boxing - a counter example in Mike Tyson. But thats no hard and fast rule either, cause you have guys like Lennox Lewis, then Foreman, David Tua, then Klitschko etc etc...

which should lead you to what I have been saying all along, its down to skills and knowing how to use the natural attributes you are blessed with.

Now lay off sherdog, stop making a jackass of yourself, read some books, get outside go play a sport, join a bjj gym., do something. Continually posting here is just making you dumber.

"Height and reach are aspects of size. Tyson Fury is much bigger than Andy Ruiz, despite them being very similar weights."

That is cherry picking."

So you agree that Tyson Fury is bigger than Ruiz? Why? I thought that in your world, size wasn't about height/reach/body frame, just weight. If you concede that Fury is bigger than Ruiz as you have, then you've conceded that weight is not the only factor in size, and therefore that Adesanya has, in at least two respects, a massive size advantage over most of his opponents.

"When you come up with a theory like "height and reach = better fighter"

I never made this claim. Everybody knows I never made this claim. Even you, as compromised as you are, know I didn't make this claim. You have to make things up because you've lost the argument. But thanks for bumping the thread.

 

[NEETzschean]

You make it seem like Alex turned to walk away and Izzy clocked him. Izzy had him stunned and was in kill mode when the bell rang. That last shot was already being sent before the bell was heard.

The buzzer goes and Izzy follows through with a cheap shot. Maybe he couldn't have stopped himself, maybe he could but Alex certainly wasn't expecting a shot after the klaxon and Izzy still managed to lose the fight anyway, even with what was a massive advantage.

 

[mudrubble]

The buzzer goes and Izzy follows through with a cheap shot. Maybe he couldn't have stopped himself, maybe he could but Alex certainly wasn't expecting a shot after the klaxon and Izzy still managed to lose the fight anyway, even with what was a massive advantage.

I don't think Alex knew the bell sounded any more than Izzy. Probably less than Izzy, as he was almost asleep.

Point I was making was it wasn't a cheap shot - it was just fighting. There was no way to avoid that. If ANY fighter is 1 or 2 punches from finishing another and is throwing them at the bell, they will likely land. Such is life and fighting.

I don't think Alex let his guard down because he heard the bell and was punished for it or hit when he didn't expect it. He didn't know the bell sounded, and probably didn't know where he was in the world at that moment. He didn't hear the bell and let his guard down. At that point he had no guard - he was dying.

That's fair play to my mind. Anyway, he survived and that's why he's the comeback king. Man has an uncanny ability to come back stronger after a near KO. Happy for the guy.

 

[Humongo]

 

[NEETzschean]

I don't think Alex knew the bell sounded any more than Izzy. Probably less than Izzy, as he was almost asleep.

Point I was making was it wasn't a cheap shot - it was just fighting. There was no way to avoid that. If ANY fighter is 1 or 2 punches from finishing another and is throwing them at the bell, they will likely land. Such is life and fighting.

I don't think Alex let his guard down because he heard the bell and was punished for it or hit when he didn't expect it. He didn't know the bell sounded, and probably didn't know where he was in the world at that moment. He didn't hear the bell and let his guard down. At that point he had no guard - he was dying.

That's fair play to my mind. Anyway, he survived and that's why he's the comeback king. Man has an uncanny ability to come back stronger after a near KO. Happy for the guy.

So Izzy had a free shot on a guy who was "almost asleep" and "dying" and still managed to lose the next round and get KO'd late. That is pretty embarrassing, regardless of whether or not Pereira heard the bell.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Izz can run, izz can hide, but he can’t escape that left