Dana being an absolute clown on Contender Series.

Meh she needs polish but more than deserving of a contract imo. I definitely would not give stumbling half dead dude a contract...

Doesn't much matter as I bet we see here called up to fill in and go from there. Prolly sucks fer her pocketbook tho...

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Dana has made it clearly repeatedly he’s not looking for the best fighters, he’s looking for the most entertaining. On the contender series, Dana would take a 5-2 brawler that got a slopfest finish over a 16-0 wrestler that won 30-24 on all cards.
 
This fucking guy wtf.

Knuttson comes out, looks good everywhere, gets a good dominant win over Isis, who is a good regional fighter. Dana says she ticks all the boxes but then doesn't give her a contract. This goof then says she needs to go for the finish more and needs more MMA exp.

This is a girl who has had 5 wins by decision. She has like 80 mins of fight time at this point. It don't matter if she ain't finishing people.

But next minute he gives a contract to Reese, who has had the same amount of fights as Knuts, but only has like 8 mins of total fight time. Reese didn't even look great in there, falling over from his own strikes and shit.

Is Dana dumb or what?

Needs more experience lol. Knuts literally has like 10x the amount of fight exp Reese. Fuck, she had almost double the amount of fight exp just tonight that Reese has had his entire career, including tonight's fight.

Not to mention, Knuts has been out there fighting decent regional comp. All her opponents have winning records except one who is 4-5 but had a winning one when they fought. Meanwhile, Reese's last fight before tonight was against a guy who was 4-10. 1/5 of his opponents before tonight had winning records. There's two on there that have 0 wins. Pretty easy to rack up quick finishes when you're fighting tomato cans.

Oh, and Knuts already fought on one of the Road to UFC cards and won that fight with complete ease as well.

Is Dana on the beers or what?

Does it have something to do that she belongs to the same gym as Khamzat?
 
Yep. Look, Elliot was fun to watch, but like you said, the dude won by getting his ass kicked long enough for the other guy to gas. The other guy was garbage as well. Crap on the ground and on the feet just nothing but massive wind up shots. Just shit-tier striking. If Isis had been that shit of a striker, Knutsson would have definitely finished her.

They kept making a big deal about Elliot saying they'd have to take him out in a box or whatever dumb shit. His opponent half put him in that box. Barely surviving and taking a beating against can was fun to watch, but it wasn't impressive.

You want to know what's really funny if you think critically about that performance? Imagine Elliot doesn't get rocked in Round 2. What happens? Because I have a pretty good idea: Elliot edges the rest of the round and then Round 3 afterward -- albeit in a more competitive fashion this time because Brito isn't gassed from emptying the tank trying to finish him. Probably wins a 30-27 Decision on the basis of mediocre wrestling and the 1-2s he was throwing.

And you know what I'm almost certain Dana would have said in that scenario when the contracts were being handed out -- based on the way the fight was going and on previous precedent? "Uh, yeah, Elliot... not sure what to say here. Looked all right out there, talked a big game, checked all the boxes, but didn't show what we're looking for here. I didn't see enough from him. Think he needs some more experience, maybe we'll see him again sometime. Sorry, kid."

So that leaves us with the unfortunate implication that Elliot getting years taken off his life in the second round somehow enhanced his overall MMA performance and value as a prospect in the eyes of Dana White.

You can't make this shit up, lol.

What I hate is that there isn't any way Knut gets any easy cans to smash now, not after dominant wins on Road to UFC and now on DWCS. No easy regional cans are gonna fight her. She's going to be fighting top girls in Invicta or somewhere from now until the UFC decide to give her another DWCS shot.

Yeah, seems likely. Either that or she'll end up in LFA or something and the UFC will end up bringing her in as a short-notice replacement on one of their cards. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. If she wins an LFA or Invicta title, that elevates her name value significantly in the meantime IMO.

Also, regarding all that stuff you said about my boy Peek . . . I was gonna say you have no clue what you're talking about, but I just re-watched his DWCS fight and it did happen like you said lol. I thought he just whooped ass. I love that guy though so I'm going to choose to forget what happened in this case and just remember it my own way haha. Peek bless.

Oh for sure, Peek is a load of fun to watch. There are so many potential barn-burner match-ups for him at 155... but I was genuinely surprised that they decided to give him the contract under those circumstances. I don't think you should necessarily write guys off for taking a lot of damage on DWCS, especially if they're fighting someone half-decent. But throwing the contract at them "because muh heart & toughness" after they scrape by following a beating doesn't sit well with me.

I think the reasonable middle ground which both rewards them for the resilience they showed and factors in the fact that every fighter has off-nights and bad stylistic match-ups (while also not rewarding them for a pretty worrying performance)... is just to invite them back to compete again, lol. So many questions would have been answered about Peek and Elliot both if they had come back to fight a second time, the same way Dana has asked many other fighters to do.
 
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Is DW really looking for the next big thing on this show or is he just looking to find cheap, exciting fighters to fill the almost weekly cards on ESPN+?

To me, the point of DWCS is to sign a bunch of fighters on entry level contracts to ensure 12 fight cards for the weekly cards.

Edit: I don’t agree with it but it’s pretty clear that that’s the main aim. If they manage an actual contender in the process, it’s a bonus but not the purpose.
 
If you expect him to act with any integrity whatsoever then yeah, he acted like a clown. He looked foolish. But if you understand the shallow nature of the program and it’s purpose, he acted entirely in line with its ethos: sign cheap talent who will entertain the casual masses to fill almost weekly contractually obligated cards.
 
You sure it's even 18-14 for Reese? Looking at his opponents, they only have a combined 12 wins as of right now.
I might have counted someone twice, or maybe I'm counting the DWCS guy too and maybe I didn't for knut? Lemme type em cuz I'm on my phone.
Zamora was 1-0
Jahmaze was 0-1
Zolf.. was 0-0
Phillips was 6-3
Britton was 5-10
Aranov on DWCS was 6-0.

So yeah,18-14. Though that does mean he got onto DWCS beating opponents with a combined record of 12-14. Not exactly a strength of schedule
 
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Meh she needs Polish
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I might have counted someone twice, or maybe I'm counting the DWCS guy too and maybe I didn't for knut? Lemme type em cuz I'm on my phone.
Zamora was 1-0
Jahmaze was 0-1
Zolf.. was 0-0
Phillips was 6-3
Britton was 5-10
Aranov on DWCS was 6-0.

So yeah,18-14. Though that does mean he got onto DWCS beating opponents with a combined record of 12-14. Not exactly a strength of schedule

Oh, no you are right. I thought you were talking about his opponent's records that got him a shot on DWCS.
 
You want to know what's really funny if you think critically about that performance? Imagine Elliot doesn't get rocked in Round 2. What happens? Because I have a pretty good idea: Elliot edges the rest of the round and then Round 3 afterward -- albeit in a more competitive fashion this time because Brito isn't gassed from emptying the tank trying to finish him. Probably wins a 30-27 Decision on the basis of mediocre wrestling and the 1-2s he was throwing.

And you know what I'm almost certain Dana would have said in that scenario when the contracts were being handed out -- based on the way the fight was going and on previous precedent? "Uh, yeah, Elliot... not sure what to say here. Looked all right out there, talked a big game, checked all the boxes, but didn't show what we're looking for here. I didn't see enough from him. Think he needs some more experience, maybe we'll see him again sometime. Sorry, kid."

So that leaves us with the unfortunate implication that Elliot getting years taken off his life in the second round somehow enhanced his overall MMA performance and value as a prospect in the eyes of Dana White.

You can't make this shit up, lol.



Yeah, seems likely. Either that or she'll end up in LFA or something and they'll end up bringing her in as a short-notice replacement on one of their cards. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. If she wins an LFA or Invicta title, that elevates her name value significantly IMO.



Oh for sure, Peek is a load of fun to watch. There are so many potential barn-burner match-ups for him at 155... but I was genuinely surprised that they decided to give him the contract under those circumstances. I don't think you should necessarily write guys off for taking a lot of damage on DWCS, especially if they're fighting someone half-decent. But throwing the contract at them "because muh heart & toughness" after they get scrape by following a noncompetitive beating doesn't sit well with me.

I think the reasonable middle ground which both rewards them for the resilience they showed and factors in the fact that every fighter has off-nights and bad stylistic match-ups (while also not rewarding them for a pretty worrying performance)... is just to invite them back to compete again, lol. So many questions would have been answered about Peek and Elliot both if they had come back to fight a second time, the same way Dana has asked many other fighters to do.

100% agree with everything. It's a sad state of affairs.
 
They did that to Bo Nickel too. They put him on the show, he pretty much couldn't have been better, then they didn't give him a contract. Then they called him to do the same thing again and that time it was worthy.

The show is clearly not an arangement of show up, win, get a contract.

Bo's a different case. He'd had 33 secs of pro fight time before his first DWCS fight. 3 mins if you want to include the ammy fights he had. In his case, more time definitely made sense. It was pretty clear Dana planned for that from the start with Bo.

Knuts on the other hand had 80+ mins coming into that DWCS fight, and she really couldn't have been better unless she'd gotten a stoppage, but she's not a finisher. The UFC knew this, so why did they even bring her in?

Oh, and Bo was fighting a guy who had never beaten anyone even who had close to a winning record in his first DWCS fight. His second opponent? Best record out of that guy's wins was1-3. The rest were again losing records. Bo was fighting cans who had been crushing cans.

Worst record out of Knut's wins is 6-7. The rest all have winning records.
 
Dana has made it clearly repeatedly he’s not looking for the best fighters, he’s looking for the most entertaining. On the contender series, Dana would take a 5-2 brawler that got a slopfest finish over a 16-0 wrestler that won 30-24 on all cards.

I definitely understand that, but then why did they even bring on a girl who they know is a good IQ point fighter who isn't going to fight dumb and get into a brawl?

Knuts already fought on Road to UFC and got herself a boring win. All her other fights have been decisions apart from one. They knew who she was.

Like, did they think because it was DWCS she was suddenly going to completely change her fight style, brawl like an idiot, and hope she got the win instead of getting KOd?
 
I definitely understand that, but then why did they even bring on a girl who they know is a good IQ point fighter who isn't going to fight dumb and get into a brawl?

Knuts already fought on Road to UFC and got herself a boring win. All her other fights have been decisions apart from one. They knew who she was.

Like, did they think because it was DWCS she was suddenly going to completely change her fight style, brawl like an idiot, and hope she got the win instead of getting KOd?

Tbf she's been exciting before. Especially when she was beating the piss out of Lachnana Green (that one should have been stopped). The RUFC fight wasn't really her fault as the other girl just ran all fight.
 
Dude you watch C level mma ?











And c level wmma on top of that?













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Dana evaluates fights like a casual on the contender series when it comes to figuring who to give contracts too. The classic gif of him looking disgusted because of a simple late fight takedown and then holding it against the winner as the reason why he's not contract worthy is essentially the theme of the entire show. It's why you can't assume the best talent resides in the UFC anymore. They have a lot of it, but they let a good amount of it go by because "Not just bleed fighters". And they don't even try and hide that fact anymore like they used too. End of the day Dana White is one of the least credible people on earth to listen too when it comes to the quality of a fighter. All he knows or cares about is fighters he can promote.
 
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