International Leaked Biden Admin Memo shows concern about Out of Control Corruption in Ukraine

[jimbob27]

I'm just objectively pointing out how bad it is for them. You're hurling nonsensical insults to people who don't share your opinion because it challenges your world view and how the Western powers that be actually operate.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Western powers? Wasn't it Russia that declared war on them?

 

[DanSavage]

Letting Ukraine fall to Russia where corruption is actually celebrated and seen as a virtue will certainly not fix it.

Why is what happens between Russia and Ukraine our problem?

 

[weed]

Why is what happens between Russia and Ukraine our problem?

 

[Dalarna3]

We’ve never seen a corrupt country we didn’t want to prop up.

 

[Rod1]

Why is what happens between Russia and Ukraine our problem?

"Why is Venezuela our problem" look at the southern border.

 

[Rod1]

We’ve never seen a corrupt country we didn’t want to prop up.

Russia.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

even the blue haired pronoun brigade is upset about the "some nazis are OK" thing.

Problem is they are generally completely unaccepting of "nuance" when others make anything resembling a faux pas.

Brett Weinstein (liberal jew) sends email saying to colleagues "I don't think it's a good idea that we force a group of society to not be allowed to show up to campus."

Woke, understanding nuance, left: "Fuck you nazi. You gonna get fired you racist asshole".

 

[Richmma80]

People forget the atrocities that Western Ukraine did to Eastern Ukraine before the war started in 2014

The hatred of Western Ukraine by Eastern Ukraine didn't just come out of nowhere. It was well documented on Youtube and I remember the internet supporting Eastern Ukraine. Givi and Motorola were internet sensations in 2014.

 

[Richmma80]

 

[Renard]

The administration willfully laundering American taxpayer money abroad are "concerned" about it? Press X for doubt. It's the whole point of laundering, it ends up enriching some fat cats you're buddies with. The "leaked memo" (deliberate leak?) sets up the narrative that it's an honest mistake. For you to believe that it's an honest mistake is basically the best case scenario for the White House. They know you're not completely stupid and see what's happening, so they hope you think it's just some good old incompetence and not deliberate.

 

[Cole train]

People forget the atrocities that Western Ukraine did to Eastern Ukraine before the war started in 2014

The hatred of Western Ukraine by Eastern Ukraine didn't just come out of nowhere. It was well documented on Youtube and I remember the internet supporting Eastern Ukraine. Givi and Motorola were internet sensations in 2014.

Givi and motorola were pieces of shit that were charismatic, typical FSB tactic to use charismatic guys as leaders then kill them off when not useful anymore

That being said ukr military has not exactly been kind to civilians either, there are guys on this forum whos relatives have been wounded or buried due to them in donbas conflict

(Current rumour considering war on russian side is separatists dont take ukr guys as prisoners anymore btw)

 

[AbominableJoman]

Quick, send Ukraine another 80 trillion dollars!

 

[Rod1]

From the same website as TS. Apparently, nazis aren't nazis anymore. The propaganda machine is too strong.

Sure every country's government is corrupt but this is next level stupidity.

So Finland is full of Nazis?

Kind of hard not to fight against the Soviets when they kept invading other countries.

 

[The XL]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Western powers? Wasn't it Russia that declared war on them?

Russia likely declared war on Ukraine because they're a Western puppet state. Even if that wasn't the case and they attacked anyway, the West is giving just enough support to hurt Russia but not enough to win. Zelensky is more than happy to go along with this because he's a puppet who sold his people out. The current projections are basically the worst case scenario for the Ukrainian people.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Not really sure this is the case here. But in realpolitik and bait-and-bleed strategies, for the outside hegemon the optimal result is often to have the very last combatant alive on one side killing the very last combatant on the other. Something nobody wants to admit to.

Heck, even in World War 2, many believe the Western front had a slow formation for a reason. While Western powers wanted the Russians to win so as not to deal with two hegemons (Germany and Japan) and only deal with one, they certainly didn't mind Russians and Germans brutalizing each other. There were some twisted elements of this when Russia attacked Wagner soldiers in Ukraine; can't have Wagner getting too big for its britches.

I’ve never heard that theory but it’s definitely not true. America was unprepared for war when we finally entered, and when we did we split our forces to two completely different parts of the world. You also have to remember that while Germany was definitely strained by fighting in the East, Japan was practically unchecked. It was a Herculean feat to ramp up as fast as we did. One that we wouldn’t be able to replicate today without years of painfully reorganizing our arms industry

 

[skysolo]

So Finland is full of Nazis?

Kind of hard not to fight against the Soviets when they kept invading other countries.

You spelled America wrong.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Why is what happens between Russia and Ukraine our problem?

There’s more than one answer to this question but looking at it from a selfish perspective, it’s a question of world stability. Not only are they trading partners with the west, they also feed a lot of Africa. Famines may end up being caused by the disruptions from the war.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

I’ve never heard that theory but it’s definitely not true. America was unprepared for war when we finally entered, and when we did we split our forces to two completely different parts of the world. You also have to remember that while Germany was definitely strained by fighting in the East, Japan was practically unchecked. It was a Herculean feat to ramp up as fast as we did. One that we wouldn’t be able to replicate today without years of painfully reorganizing our arms industry

Let's agree to disagree to the general point. I agree that the u.s. was not a military power at the beginning, but France did a walkover, and it goes beyond them having no military prowess. Don't quote me on this because I'm old and my memory is foggy, but at a time 90%+ of the war was being fought on the eastern front . And the Russians had basically industrialized quite shortly before world war 2 in a brutal fashion because they knew if they didn't they be fucked by other European powers that did. A little bit of nuance behind the position Stalin was in when he did his five year programs.

 

[weed]

You smelled America wrong.

was this intentional?

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

People forget the atrocities that Western Ukraine did to Eastern Ukraine before the war started in 2014

The hatred of Western Ukraine by Eastern Ukraine didn't just come out of nowhere. It was well documented on Youtube and I remember the internet supporting Eastern Ukraine. Givi and Motorola were internet sensations in 2014.

The western hemisphere is pretty isolated to the complexities of European history and keeping things in perspective. To actually keep things in perspective, 9-11 would be less than the equivalent of like an average day for Russia in WW2 by my shitty math.