Media *** Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Post Fight Discussion MEGATHREAD ***

How does the fight go?


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not really for me. what boxing is now is what MMA will be one day soon, and it's not good. boxing is full of bureaucracy, politics, and corruption.

I agree with that ‘what MMA will be soon’ part. Dana not signing Francis and peddling Mighty Mouse…bad signs. You need to reward your champs. Some may be more popular than others but you need to have a hierarchy. Keep doing shit like that, and it will be like Fedor in Pride, or boxing from the late 90s…just a lot of competing factions, watering down the sport, because the best won’t fight the best. I can even handle how Dana coddles Conor, but you got to reward your champs.
 
Francis is living in Dana's head and it is costing Dana MILLIONS lol
 
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Dewey Cooper, who was in Ngannou's corner for both the Gane & Fury fights, says in this video ^ it was a leg lock attempt by Gane not a sweep by Ngannou.



Saying the fight was not very close is objectively wrong.

The outcome was literally decided by a change of position that occurred in the last two minutes of the fight



The fight was tied 2-2 going into the fifth round. In the fifth round Gane took Ngannou down and was credited with two submission attempts before losing position off a failed submission attempt. Despite spending the final half of the fifth round being controlled on bottom Gane actually still out landed Ngannou in terms of significant strikes because Ngannou did absolutely nothing with the dominant position Gane handed to him.

Acting as though theres no way to conceivably award Gane the fifth round is clownish.



Just rewatched it.

Yeah.

It was insanely close. Only thing for sure was that Frank won round 3 and Gane won round 2.

All the outlets I saw had it 48-47 Ngannou, though some were saying it was close. I understand the criteria they saw (top control) as basis.

That said, it could've easily have gone to Gane.
 
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People forget that Fury basically lost to a fat slob in John McDermott and got put on his ass by a cruiserweight Steve Cunningham. The man was far from unbeatable. I've watched every fight of his since he first debuted in boxing, and knowing his habits, it has been just a matter of time before some random journeyman gets a W over him. Could've been Otto Wallin.
 
the ref was bought and paid for in that fight. Tyson landed a clean flush elbow to Ngannou's face. With the point deduction, Ngannou would've won on two of the judge's cards. Ngannou should've hired Hopkins to learn how to work the refs better.

Tyson would have a bright career in mma if his double leg attempt had better drive, even ngannou sprawled him out. His panic clinching attempts were on point all night.

With a point deduction it would have been a spit draw.
 
it was “smart” for him to leave, so far as his own interests are concerned, and with the benefit of hindsight.

i don’t agree with francis’s interpretation of events though. nobody tried to use him as a puppet. the reality is he signed a contract he didn’t like, and he didn’t like the fact that it gave ufc power over his ability to capitalize on his title as ufc champion. he has it in his head “i am ufc champion, it’s my title, me call shots now, me want big boxing money fight like conor mcgregor.” it’s not that simple. he basically has no concept of how much work went into creating the ufc stage he fought upon for about 1.5 hours total, and the fact that the only reason anyone knows him is because ufc promoted the fuck out of him for the better part of a decade. and with exception of uberstar conor mcgregor, ufc protects its brand by not letting its fighters moonlight in competing promotions or industries. suppose ufc allowed this fight, and francis got tooled. can you imagine how bad it would look for the ufc if its sitting champion gets dominated by a boxer on a world stage? (btw, it was dumb when they allowed mcgregor to do it). the risk alone justifies ufc’s opposition to those terms. that’s not using francis as a puppet; that’s ufc looking out for its brand, as it should.

so in the end, basically francis decided he wanted to be a boxer rather than mma fighter. and good, it seems like it worked out for him. it doesn’t really change the fact that he acted like a spoiled child in his contract negotiations, and he’s a diva, and that’s the real reason he’s in boxing, not mma.
 
He's going to make more money because of this, so if money and also more notoriety was the objective, then mission accomplished
 
Funny how this poll would have been 80% "No" before the Tyson fight. People really wanted to see him stay and fight Jones. If Ngannou would have gotten KO'ed by Fury in the first 30 seconds, he still would have made more money than his entire UFC and new UFC contract. Leaving the UFC was a win no matter what have happened.

Now, he's positioned himself for a 20 million dollar pay day against Wilder and 30+ million pay day against Fury in a rematch.
 
I had Fury winning every round but 2, arguably 3. Fury's jab won the fight, but Francis proved that he belonged in there. Frank boxed intelligently and out muscled Fury, which clearly threw Fury off.

I'd like to see Frank vs AJ, I think that is a better fight than Wilder. I think that Wilder would finish Frank relatively quickly, but I could see Frank doing well against the more robotic AJ.

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lol.

I can't wait for him to stick around in boxing and sheepishly end his career 0-3 (just like Conor) with devastating knockout losses. Something tells me the knuckle draggers infesting these forums are going to disappear.
 
Let’s just see how vindictive Dana is.

Ngannou is the first guy to buck the system. I wouldn’t put it past Dana to do everything in his power to limit how well Ngannou does.

Stuff like “If you let Ngannou fight here I’m never bringing the UFC here again..”, making sure people don’t work with him, close every possible door he can.

Ngannou will still do better than he would with the UFC, but Dana has pull in the business, it sucks for Ngannou to have him as an enemy.
 
At what point did Fury even break a sweat? Of course they hit each other. Even WWE guys sweat and hurt each other. I'm not saying the entire thing was a work from start to finish. It was a sparring match that Fury was never going to lose, but they were going to spice up. If Fury wins and isn't knocked down, nobody talks about this fight or cares. Something interesting had to happen. Take that knockdown out and nobody outside of us combat sport dorks gives a shit.

You will never convince me that this wasn't a fix or a friendly agreement. In no way, shape or form does someone who picked up gloves a decade ago beat the heavyweight champion of the world, even in a sparring match. If we had Gordon Ryan grapple Francis, or Gable Stevenson, and Francis suplexed one of them or hit a heel hook on one you'd all be crying foul and fix. But because it's boxing you guys think it may have been possible. That's crazy.

In my opinion anyway, consider this: Dozens of millions of dollars exchanged hands tonight and now it'll happen again because the rematch has an interesting storyline. If Francis knocked him out? Not interesting (for rematch purposes). Only serves Francis and increases his value, decreases Fury's profile and starpower. If Fury knocked him out? Not interesting. Only serves Fury and diminishes Francis. If Francis looked good, though, but lost and maybe even controversially... that serves both of them. Francis profile and starpower gets bigger. The upcoming fight for Fury gets more interesting because now there's more intrigue on whether or not he'll lose his next true boxing match. Has he lost his step?? Now, why not make dozens of millions more on the rematch with Francis? Even if Francis loses in PFL and Fury loses his title in his next bout (let's say that doesn't happen) they still have this rematch for eight figures a piece in their back pocket. Francis losing a controversial split decision while looking good or getting a split draw is the only thing that increases the intrigue in both fighters' next competitions AND their potential rematch. That is the only outcome that serves both men equally. What's better than faking people into paying you once? Getting the money twice.

They actually did better than Floyd/Conor. They made a rematch not only possible, but interesting, buyable and exciting. And they're fooling absolutely everyone.



In comparison to the heavyweight champion and top 15 heavyweight boxer of all time? Uh, yeah. He's closer to that than he is Fury.



I'm not infallible, but read my above analysis of the outcome.

Then, watch Fury's last 2 fights. Hell, put it on 1.5x or 2.x speed if you haven't seen them already.

Then...watch him fight Francis today. Look at Francis breathing out his mouth for 8 rounds while Fury doesn't even break a sweat. Watch him look backwards as he fell down. Watch him fight the 10th round as if he already won the fight. Watch him shoot a double leg on Francis. Watch Francis hook up a guillotine. Watch Francis throw a superman punch. Tell me all of this theater is just good old entertaining heavyweights having a slobberknocker of a fight right before they both go fight championship fights in their respective sports.

If that's the conclusion you come to, all right. But I watched that god damn fight and it looked like a gold glove boxer sparring an up and comer and letting him work.

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That's dumb. Upsets happen in sports. Did Mike Tyson loss to Douglas on purpose to set up a multi million dollar rematch? It is what it is. You can spin it to a conspiracy all you like doesn't make it true.
I never got those conspiratorial takes. Tyson Fury is a boxing champion. You can accuse him of selling out his entire fucking legacy for a rematch which may or may not happen but lmao, guy is a fighter and he ain't scripting a near loss, especially given the circumstances.

Exactly.

I thought MMA was bad but Boxing has some truly delusional fans.
 
Dana really fumbled the bag with Francis

Now the UFC has to deal with their HW paper champ who has got an injury that will take least take a year to recover then another year to train and get into fight shape and then to promote the Stipe fight, he may not be fighting until early 2026

The UFC's obsession with Jones vs Miocic has caused them to fumble the bag with the division and Ngannou

If the UFC are smart, the way they can fix this right now is to strip Jones and give the belt back to Ngannou and give Jones a shot at the belt when he has recovered and in fight shape

Also the UFC must allow Francis to box and any other demands that he has

This bag fumble from Dana has now made WME & Vince have doubts about Dana's decision making in the UFC since they lost a great opportunity with the bragging rights and publicity the UFC would have had right now touting their real HW champ who knocked down Tyson Fury and almost win the fight.

Dana will be questioned about this bag fumble in the next boardroom meeting that's for sure

Ngannou exposed Dana
 
THIS.

I'm not a Connor fanboy by any means, but boxing Stans give Mayweather too much credit without keeping the ruleset in mind.

They need to watch the fight, and realize that Mayweather's best defense? What not the Philly shell, was not footwork, was not head movement, was not parrying, or any boxing "technique".

Mayweather's best defense against Connor? Was turning his back and leaning over as if he was getting prison f***ed, until the ref broke them apart. It was simply the ruleset that saved him. Under any other circumstances, Connor kills Mayweather, and that's coming from someone who despises Connor as a person
he was baiting connor to do those things, there was a clause where he'd get connor's purse if he did.
 
Lol boxing snobs are really struggling with this one. As expected, the goal post shifts yet again.

No one is saying that boxing is BS. Franc is a freak, and there’s other freaks out there at smaller weight classes that could produce a similar result, or better.

Not looking for an argument, but if you think you know of any current boxing champions who might lose to mma guys in boxing then feel free to name names. It's not snobbery to realize that the HW division of boxing in the current era is garbage, though i do respect Frank and what he did.

Nobody from mma comes to boxing and hears the final bell if they were in there with Beterbiev, Naoya, Tank, Crawford or Matias, it just isn't happening, but everyone is free to think what they will.
 
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