Media *** Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Post Fight Discussion MEGATHREAD ***

[mjfan23]

It was never a science my friend more of an art

 

[Sanserif]

Lead hand hooks can absolutely beat rear straights even though their trajectory isn't straight to the target there's less distance for them to travel. Canelo showed this beautifully against Kovalev. He was able to catch & shoot on him with the left hook counter every time Kovalev wanted to drop his straight right hand. Problem for Francis is that Wilder has a very sneaky long straight right hand that he sets up beautifully off the jab. His jab is stiff even though it's heavily underutilized in his game. He's pinpoint accurate when he has the distance down. Wilder has better timing and is the faster man. If these two box you'll see that. In MMA though Francis would just take Wilder down and smash him.

Perhaps and with these guys witht he degree of power they have, the one who makes the mistake is likely to lose out. So it will boil down to who does his thing better on the given day. It would be interesting to watch that's for sure...what I am.pointing out though is that u need to give ngannou more credit for how dangerous his counter is than what u r giving him currently. Its by no means a given that wilder has better timing on the day...

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Regardless of his performance Ngannou has plenty to prove in the boxing world. Styles do make fights and every fight is different.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Perhaps and with these guys witht he degree of power they have, the one who makes the mistake is likely to lose out. So it will boil down to who does his thing better on the given day. It would be interesting to watch that's for sure...what I am.pointing out though is that u need to give ngannou more credit for how dangerous his counter is than what u r giving him currently. Its by no means a given that wilder has better timing on the day...

Francis isn't a bad counterpuncher but he eats shots to get one in. When he dropped Fury with that delayed counter left hook he had to eat a combination first. Fury's mistake was throwing the 3-2 instead of a long 1-2. He threw a left hook + short straight right hand combination from too close which allowed Francis to catch him. Wilder just needs to keep it long. You can't wait to counter Wilder because he'll get there first. Francis needs to learn how to take the initiative. One of the first things you're taught even as a counterpuncher is not to simply wait around for the other guy to make a mistake. You want to force that mistake, draw it out of them. Be proactive rather than reactive. Now Wilder could simply sit back and counter just the same. He did it in his last fight and the first straight right hand he landed sparked his opponent.

 

[Sanserif]

Francis isn't a bad counterpuncher but he eats shots to get one in. When he dropped Fury with that delayed counter left hook he had to eat a combination first. Fury's mistake was throwing the 3-2 instead of a long 1-2. He threw a left hook + short straight right hand combination from too close which allowed Francis to catch him. Wilder just needs to keep it long. You can't wait to counter Wilder because he'll get there first. Francis needs to learn how to take the initiative. One of the first things you're taught even as a counterpuncher is not to simply wait around for the other guy to make a mistake. You want to force that mistake, draw it out of them. Be proactive rather than reactive. Now Wilder could simply sit back and counter just the same. He did it in his last fight and the first straight right hand he landed sparked his opponent.

Ngannou is just starting out as a boxer so no doubt he will need to learn many things but he has turned out to be a quick study so far in all things martial. He doesn't have much time left in his boxing career though so that's a pity.

 

[ookii]

Thinking that Usman or Omalley can be competitive against the likes of Canelo or Gervonta pretty much trivializes what Francis has accomplished. I want to see them try to so I can laugh when they get KOed

 

[Dorkman]

No. The level of athlete, and boxer quality goes way up as you go down the scales. Neither of those guys power would carry over like Francis's did. So their opponents just don't need to be hesitant of the power like Fury was forced too. So their opponents would fully get to leverage the gap in boxing skill.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Ngannou is just starting out as a boxer so no doubt he will need to learn many things but he has turned out to be a quick study so far in all things martial. He doesn't have much time left in his boxing career though so that's a pity.

He definitely has more ability than most people thought. I'll give him that. However, I think things are likely to go downhill for him quickly from this point on. With film on him now and him jumping into the deep end this early chances are high that it will spell disaster. The surprise factor is no longer there and top boxers will study and train for him properly. They'll take him as serious as any other legitimate heavyweight boxer.

 

[Richard Fannin]

Hes definitely an A level athlete. So are Jones, Gane, Pav and Aspinall.

MMA fans for some reason love to shit on their sport and downplay the quality of the athletes in it. Training for fighting day in, day out will mold you into a fucking good athlete, add to that weight classes and you've got a range of good athletes from 125-265lbs, not many sports have that.

Aww cmon then, you've been here long enough to know that in a lot of places like the US, most of the elite natural HWs with crazy natural abilities would rather play football, soccer, basketball, baseball, etc, and if they compete in combat sports, they'd rather wrestle for the Olympics (or even go the pro-wrestling road for some) or box rather than having MMA as their absolute goal & number 1 career choice.

When we get heavyweight Olympic medalists wrestlers/judokas in MMA, 99% of the time it's when they're out of their prime and decide to give that "new developing freefight thing that is all the rage with the kids" a shot because they can't compete with the elite anymore in their first career choice.

That's why the talent pool is much high in the smaller weight classes, no one cares if you're uber-athletic if you're Mighty Mouse's or Cejudo's size, it's not like you can dunk a basketball

In general you just don't make enough money unless you're the champion
(and even then, both Ngannou & McGregor put their UFC champ careers on hold to go box for a while while they can make some serious cash, which doesn't look good for the company)

, or if you win the million $ PFL tournament every year,

or if you're one of the top guys who manage to promote themselves very well, and then it's a matter of right time/right place combinations that will determine if the fans will rally behind you, like with Conor or Khabib during their title runs and when they were champs,
or Michael Page who has a bunch of casuals cheering for him every time he besmirches some can in Bellator,
or if you're already famous like Brock Lesnar,
or fans just happen to like you because of some x-factor like for Paddy [before they turned on him], Overeem (during his Ubereem phase) or the Diaz brothers, (and even then it took a long time for Nate to get his own cult following like his older brother)
or if people will tune in to watch you get knocked out like Sean O'Malley or Adesanya


Currently, the UFC has messed up with 2 potential superstars with Francis Ngannou (who is now doing his own thing and good for him), and Cédric "Le Meilleur" Doumbé who is a former GLORY champion & consensus P4P kickboxing n°1 who is also very skilled at self-promotion and is an exciting striker with KO power, and will likely turn a lot of eyes on PFL when he starts taking on former famous UFC contenders.

He's kinda like a Venom Page when it comes to self-promotion, but who actually has the skills to make it to the highest level of the sport.


Oh well, hopefully Francis Ngannou arguably beating Tyson Fury will change some minds, and some super-athletes currently in their teenage years who watched that bout will get disillusioned with boxing and figure out that MMA is the future or sum sheit

If the UFC can stop losing credibility by having their figurehead promote slack-jawed hillbilly crap like "Slap Fighting Championship" and talk shit about beloved figures of the sport like Fedor or GSP because they wouldn't kiss his ass, it would be nice, but one thing at a time...

 

[CC27]

God no. HW is different, francis has power and took it seriously and Fury looks like he didnt and might be starting to show signs he's gonna lose. Not to take anything away from Francis he did awesome and shocked all of us but think its def easier to do at HW than any other div.

Same in mma, you dont see guys 37, 38 as champs dominating the divs but at HW you can go till 40's and still be a top fighter. Its just easier to do at HW.

That said I think this crossover shit comes down to the right fighters, timing etc, it was perfect for Francis getting out when he did and Fury ducking usyk. He was gonna do taht fight, wilder was gonna fight joshua and it left Ngannou without a big fight but Fury thought he'll take easy fight ducking Usyk again and it almost backfired on him.

Realistically the only two crossovers that would generate some interest would be Conor leaving UFC in 2025 and fighting Canelo and probably O Malley vs like tank or Garcia. But acting like Strickland can go fight Canelo or this guy vs that guy, nah. First off canelo wouldnt do that shit cause he's a serious fighter and theres no interest in it.

 

[Greg House]

I know boxing took a massive L last week but it's crazy to think that these athletes could be that bad at their craft that MMA fighters that train takedowns, ground ctontrol, all sorts of kicks, clinch fighting, chokes, grappling, submissions, elbows, knees AND punching are somehow better than people that train ONLY punching. I mean how pathetic and weak the boxers would have to be for that scenario to be real? They are all training the same amount of time in a day, so what's the excuse for their heavyweight champion to get his ass whooped like that?

Anyway, this must embarrassing for them. This should not have happened. You have all those boxers on Joe Rogan talking about how superior they are and now Ngannou humilliated all of them.

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

Francis is one of a kind sher doggies!

 

[Trabaho]

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[barillas]

No shit stupid

your mom?

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

lol.

I can't wait for him to stick around in boxing and sheepishly end his career 0-3 (just like Conor) with devastating knockout losses. Something tells me the knuckle draggers infesting these forums are going to disappear.

That's most likely what will happen. By him jumping into the deep end as a complete novice professional boxer it's practically guaranteed. When guys get thrown to the wolves in MMA the same thing happens. There've been very few exceptions. The difference is that it's even worse to do in boxing than it is in MMA.

 

[toogreen]

he’s bo jackson

 

[toogreen]

i cant make sense of how anyone could have Fury top 10 HWS

he beat a an ancient Wlad in the worst heavyweight championship fight of all time, took 2 years off and beat a extremely limited puncher 3 times

 

[BowserJr]

I can't believe people don't see how scripted this was.

How many other boxing matches does the world heavyweight champion shoot a double leg? Or the challenger throw on a guillotine? When has a world heavyweight champ gone the distance with a dude off the street? Be real ffs. This was all orchestrated to make people talk/spend future money. This was a sparring match where the champ took it easy for dozens of millions of dollars.

I got a bridge to sell you

 

[BowserJr]

Wilder easily KOs Francis, lol, Tyson didn’t even train for this fucking fight and still won 6-7 rounds, Wilder will take Franny serious and knock his soul out his body. Fucking morons, it’s just a cash grab at this point, dudes a threat on a paper only level.

Lotta long time boxing fans kinda embarrassing themselves on this one lol.

You assume Francis won't land on him first?

 

[SuwoopBangin]

You assume Francis won't land on him first?

You assume Wilder won't land on him first?