Crime Maine shooting - 18 dead

[PEDS Help me Post]

To not be an asshole by making loud noises; kinda like how mufflers became standard on vehicles so you're not constantly pissing off the neighbours.

You can still hear a suppressed shot, it isn't as obnoxious.

I never said they made the shots completely silent though... I commented on them not really having a civilian purpose.

 

[jlagman]

I never said they made the shots completely silent though... I commented on them not really having a civilian purpose.

And I just explained the civilian purpose...not my fault you don't like it.

 

[Siver!]

And I just explained the civilian purpose....

You did, I appreciate that, as I'm not really up on guns.

I'm glad they're illegal here, so have no knowledge on guns or gun parts.

What you said makes sense.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Ummm. Ok.

Can you explain to me what their purpose is then?

He just did.

 

[spamking]

"I don't stop driving when someone dies in a car wreck"

You made a dumb, fallacious analogy.

The comment was about risk. Not about comparing driving to guns.

 

[spamking]

You should care. If we can learn something that can reduce gun deaths then why not try? What do we have to lose at this point? If you want to do nothing then just be honest and say I don’t care if kids die as long as we have total access to all kinds of weaponry. It may sound extremely cruel but at least it’s the honest answer for some

Your idea of doing "something" isn't the same as mine . . . I care if kids die, but I'm not disarming or giving something up because of it. I've mentioned several ideas that would equal "doing something", but they're not the same as what you or others might want to do.

 

[spamking]

Another non argument.

Next.

It wasn't intended to be one genius.

 

[spamking]

You did, I appreciate that, as I'm not really up on guns.

I'm glad they're illegal here, so have no knowledge on guns or gun parts.

What you said makes sense.

Suppressors are more freely available in Europe than in the US. Here we have to wait months to get approved and pass another background check. They're unregulated in Europe.

 

[spamking]

And why do bad guys own guns? Well, because it's their right.

You post this junk and have the nerve to critique my comments?

 

[andnowweknow]

Suppressors are more freely available in Europe than in the US. Here we have to wait months to get approved and pass another background check. They're unregulated in Europe.

Where in Europe?

 

[panamaican]

I understand that point but that gives people the choice if they want to carry then they can avoid business that don't allow it knowing it is a soft target. That's the difference and choice you make to become a soft target. Which is the whole point.

Your point is it will not stop them if their are other soft targets. Which is true but it limits their soft targets. The more hard targets the harder it is for a mass shooter.

Actually, that's not the point. That's the absurdity of the response in a nutshell. So, in order for regular people to be safe, they need to be constantly walking around armed and avoid gun free zones?

I follow your logic but it's dystopian. Soccer moms need to carry guns and prioritize grocery stores and schools and yoga classes that aren't gun free, otherwise they're creating soft targets to endanger themselves.

I'm sure you see the problem inherent with that in a supposedly free and modern nation?

 

[Eric O]

Is there any motive for this shooting yet?

Even crazy people have motives so I don't but the mental health story... That's everyone's story.

 

[RoastBeast]

I mean any ideas as to why this happens so often in the US and not other developed countries?

Is there a correlation between how many people in America are pumped up on big pharma drugs, specifically anti depressants, vs. how many people are on them in other countries?

 

[jk7707]

Is there any motive for this shooting yet?

Even crazy people have motives so I don't but the mental health story... That's everyone's story.

Don't think there's going to be much more in the way of traditional motives. The more info that comes about about this guy the more it seems like him hearing "insulting voices" and other mental health issues were the direct reason for this.

Crazy people and guns are a bad combination.

 

[spamking]

Where in Europe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)#Europe

 

[spamking]

Actually, that's not the point. That's the absurdity of the response in a nutshell. So, in order for regular people to be safe, they need to be constantly walking around armed and avoid gun free zones?

You're continuing to misconstrue what @oldshadow and I have said. Why?

I've clarified a few times now what I meant and you've ignored it.

One more time . . . in order for EVERYONE to feel safe, they should be given the option to carry if they CHOOSE to do so. You want to keep gun free zones? Fine. Those locations better provide sufficient security.

I follow your logic but it's dystopian. Soccer moms need to carry guns and prioritize grocery stores and schools and yoga classes that aren't gun free, otherwise they're creating soft targets to endanger themselves.

Dude, use some common sense. You're being very obtuse and purposefully pushing the most ridiculous scenarios. Nobody said they NEED to carry. Or prioritize going to locations that aren't gun free zones.

I'm sure you see the problem inherent with that in a supposedly free and modern nation?

We do . . . regardless of how badly you mischaracterize it.

 

[Loiosh]

Feel free to prove it wrong . . .

@koquerelle

Here's a discussion of the methodology used to get that number.

Opinions will vary.

Do 98 percent of mass public shootings happen in gun-free zones?

 

[oldshadow]

Actually, that's not the point. That's the absurdity of the response in a nutshell. So, in order for regular people to be safe, they need to be constantly walking around armed and avoid gun free zones?

I follow your logic but it's dystopian. Soccer moms need to carry guns and prioritize grocery stores and schools and yoga classes that aren't gun free, otherwise they're creating soft targets to endanger themselves.

I'm sure you see the problem inherent with that in a supposedly free and modern nation?

No they don't need to they can play the odds which for depending on where you go and lifestyle can be low. Some people like to be prepared and they should have that right. The idea that the police are there to defend and protect you is stupid. You play the odds and chose to be prepared to fight or you decide its not what you want and just play the odds as they are.

I tend to carry other tools with me such as ones to fix my vehicle every if they are new, just in case. Depending on what I'm doing I have all kinds of and types of tools within reason with me. If you or anyone doest want to do this it doesn't matter to me you play your odds the way you want with you or your family. As long as I can do the same. I respect others choices and that includes business that don't want me to carry. I go somewhere else or disarm.

Where I work and live it's no big deal to see open carry a handgun. When someone comes in carring it's not a big deal and we treat them like any other customer. My employer doesn't allow us to carry and I understand with a big corporation the reason for that. I prepared other ways for possible trouble.

 

[spamking]

@koquerelle

Here's a discussion of the methodology used to get that number.

Opinions will vary.

Do 98 percent of mass public shootings happen in gun-free zones?

My point is that the high profile shootings folks use to push for more gun control happen in gun free zones.

 

[Loiosh]

My point is that the high profile shootings folks use to push for more gun control happen in gun free zones.

I don't really have a dog in this fight.

I live in Canada where mass shootings are ACTUALLY rare, as opposed to American rare.