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International Climate Change Deniers...

djacobox372 said:
Simplistic thinking. Like saying this kid could "obviously" stop a house fire:

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The carbon cycle is not something easily reversed or slowed once kicked into high gear. So far nobody in the mainstream climate change alarmist are proposing ANYTHING that would make a meaningful difference.

If we truly want to master climate we need to invest in research and tech to remove carbon from the atmosphere (carbon scrubbing), but that gets very little $$ and attention.
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This is the thing people fail to grasp their head around. We've failed to communicate the time release issue. It is by far the most important aspect of climate change and the Fossil fuel industry successfully pivoted all awareness to their carbon footprint bs.
 
ferrisjso said:
We need to stop burning carbon completley and if we did that today we would still have 40 years of damage locked in. At this point the hard truth is nothing we can do will FIX anything all we can do is control how horrible our apocalyptic future gets. Scientists say that is still worth fighting for but it needs to be understood we're well beyond the point of no return.

Historically we've only been industrialized 200 years and socialism as a concept has been around even less time and these sorts of comparisons are invalid. The "but its never worked" people are only repeating a line they've heard not a concept they understand.
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Are your State-controlled markets democracies?
If so, what stops the public demand for more consumption?

Socialism (the word) and the academic quantification are recent, but the phenomena it describes are not.

Allow me put the question in more specific context so I can understand you better. Say the majority of the members of a society desire more housing. How do you determine whether to build the housing, how much, and of what type? Elected officials? If so, the public will elect whoever meets their demand, so how is that superior to a free market for an environmental view?

Or does this rely upon an authoritarian who determines the necessary environmental protections for the society, and who can not be removed, so their decisions will stand in the face of popular opposition?

A mix of the two? That's what most nations use right now, via mixed economies and incentives.

I'm genuinely not seeing how state control of markets help without the "benign tyrant" approach.
 
Two Crows said:
Are your State-controlled markets democracies?
If so, what stops the public demand for more consumption?

Socialism (the word) and the academic quantification are recent, but the phenomena it describes are not.

Allow me put the question in more specific context so I can understand you better. Say the majority of the members of a society desire more housing. How do you determine whether to build the housing, how much, and of what type? Elected officials? If so, the public will elect whoever meets their demand, so how is that superior to a free market for an environmental view?

Or does this rely upon an authoritarian who determines the necessary environmental protections for the society, and who can not be removed, so their decisions will stand in the face of popular opposition?

A mix of the two? That's what most nations use right now, via mixed economies and incentives.

I'm genuinely not seeing how state control of markets help without the "benign tyrant" approach.
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Everything is superior to the free market.

Also I do not consider represenative democracies to be democracies because of the lack of economic democracy. The appearence of democracy is a tool to gaslight citizens not to give them a voice. The distinction between the current system and authoriatianism is not a sincere one.

What matters about ending capitalism is not supply and demand which is a natural part of life even without markets to an extent(people want something you give it to them) but getting rid of profit which motivates companys to provide less service at a lower quality. Whatever inefficencys(actual inefficencys not the capitalist version of them) that are provided from a govt system are not systemic by nature the system is trying to provide as much service as possible at the highest quality even if it fails. A capitalist system is trying to spend as little as possible and to continue to find ways to spend less. A govt has no such restraint.
 
KOPPE said:
Yes. I'd start with conservatives and flat earthers and work my way to centrists whos ok with Trump.
Nothing of value would be lost.
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Ok well that's calling for mass murder which would be a bannable offence I suppose if you weren't targetting conservatives.
 
deadshot138 said:
It's going to be 50 degrees on Christmas....in the Midwest. Any argument against climate change has been completely debunked by this fact. Local ski hill is struggling to stay alive, making snow all week and open on weekends. Im just hoping it isn't a delayed winter and we're snowed in in April.
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if they would stop spraying chemtrails across the US the weather may be normal again. No matter where you are in the US you can watch the planes spray rows and rows of it and then watch it slowly disperse through the sky.
 
Barteh said:
The digital euro wallet is already in the works as we speak. It'll probably be quite a few years until it's actually used and quite a few more after that for them to start abusing it for stuff like that.

I think there'll be enough resistance so that we never get to the level of climate lockdowns though. Maybe the EU falls apart before that too.
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You've lost me.

What has 'digital euro wallet' got to do with it?
 
Staph infection said:
if they would stop spraying chemtrails across the US the weather may be normal again. No matter where you are in the US you can watch the planes spray rows and rows of it and then watch it slowly disperse through the sky.
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LOL you believe in chemtrails?
 
Siver! said:
You've lost me.

What has 'digital euro wallet' got to do with it?
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A digital central currency will let them "program" the money and link it with certain behaviours.

Read up on China's social credit system if you want to see what kind of power it'll give to the people controlling the currency.
 
Nobody should have to believe in or debate the climate. It's been recorded for many decades. The debate has always been to what degree are humans responsible and more importantly what should be done or not done about it.
 
Blunderbuss said:
If I tell you where, will you come over and wrap Christmas gifts for me?
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Why not? My wife already did all of ours. Although depending on where you are it might take me a while. I'm up in Muskoka
 
Siver! said:
You've lost me.

What has 'digital euro wallet' got to do with it?
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they need a wallet to put in digital currency, which can be programmable which means they can dictate what their fake digital cash can and can't be spent on, which means controlling everyone's spending behavior (in the name of climate change or whatever other excuse they come up with). unlike a pandemic, climate change is a better grift because it's permanent.

look at communist china and the hell that's going on there with their social credit system.
 
Barteh said:
A digital central currency will let them "program" the money and link it with certain behaviours.

Read up on China's social credit system if you want to see what kind of power it'll give to the people controlling the currency.
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China is an autocratic single nation.

Europe doesn't do as it's told even on perfectly normal issues.

I don't think you need to worry about any of that.

But if I was going to go full 'theorist', the thing Europeans would actually have to worry about is if they tried to centralize language - which they won't. If you look at Europe as it actually is, and not as a big country, which it isn't, you'll see it's not at risk of being 'programmed' - even though Brexiteers in the UK paid this nonsense lip service, and I'm sure some individual countries also stoke fears of being controlled by a central government.

It won't happen, ever.
 
Super_Nintendo said:
they need a wallet to put in digital currency, which can be programmable which means they can dictate what their fake digital cash can and can't be spent on, which means controlling everyone's spending behavior (in the name of climate change or whatever other excuse they come up with). unlike a pandemic, climate change is a better grift because it's permanent.

look at communist china and the hell that's going on there with their social credit system.
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You've almost typed word for word what @Barteh just posted.

Read my post above.
 
Siver! said:
China is an autocratic single nation.

Europe doesn't do as it's told even on perfectly normal issues.

I don't think you need to worry about any of that.

But if I was going to go full 'theorist', the thing Europeans would actually have to worry about is if they tried to centralize language - which they won't. If you look at Europe as it actually is, and not as a big country, which it isn't, you'll see it's not at risk of being 'programmed' - even though Brexiteers in the UK paid this nonsense lip service, and I'm sure some individual countries also stoke fears of being controlled by a central government.

It won't happen, ever.
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I feel a lot more pessimistic about both of those things. I think they both already have too much control, and will grab even more. Maybe it's just the corrupt politicians in my country but with all of the crises we have they're citing EU regulations as the reason why the have to do all kinds of shit that is terrible for us.
 
Barteh said:
I feel a lot more pessimistic about both of those things. I think they both already have too much control, and will grab even more. Maybe it's just the corrupt politicians in my country but with all of the crises we have they're citing EU regulations as the reason why the have to do all kinds of shit that is terrible for us.
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What country is that, if you don't mind me asking? (or just some rough idea?)
 
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