International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Anewt]

Yeah, it's strange because releasing the hostages is required to achieve a ceasefire.. so if that's someone's aim, they should be demanding it.

It definitely would go a long way to that. But I highly doubt many people are thinking about it like that.

I'd assume reading 25k dead women and children is enough for a lot of people to go hmmm " stop killing children ".

I don't find it strange is all

 

[Rational Poster]

It definitely would go a long way to that. But I highly doubt many people are thinking about it like that.

I'd assume reading 25k dead women and children is enough for a lot of people to go hmmm " stop killing children ".

I don't find it strange is all

(It's not 25k women and children, at least 1/3rd to 1/2 that figure are literally some of the worst people on Earth)

 

[Anewt]

(It's not 25k women and children, at least 1/3rd to 1/2 that figure are literally some it the worst people in Earth)

Huh?

 

[scoopj]

I find it strange that many are calling for Israel to stop the attacks in Gaza,
but very few are calling for hamas to release the hostages.

Right on. That’s almost exactly what I posted a couple pages back. Very odd.

 

[Rational Poster]

Huh?

The 25k figure is not 100% innocent women and children, there are in fact full grown men included in that figure, with as many as 1/2 of them being literal members of Hamas or other militant groups. Some of those women and even some of the children may not have been innocent either being either members or direct supporters of Hamas.

Stop resorting to such emotional arguments.

 

[Rational Poster]

I also think it's weird how there's so much emotional propaganda about the concern for the innocent women and children, but none about the innocent men or innocent hostages.

 

[PhitePhan]

For those who need to see it, here's one of the Hamas billionaires-in-hiding rejecting a two state solution and insisting that Oct 7th proved the need for ongoing "resistance". Let us not be naive about the nature of this conflict.

Israel doesn’t want a two state solution and Hamas also doesn’t want a two state solution… that might explain why Israel was supporting Hamas over the years.

 

[Rational Poster]

Israel doesn’t want a two state solution and Hamas also doesn’t want a two state solution… that might explain why Israel was supporting Hamas over the years.

Still trotting out this horseshit? lmao

 

[PhitePhan]

It definitely would go a long way to that. But I highly doubt many people are thinking about it like that.

I'd assume reading 25k dead women and children is enough for a lot of people to go hmmm " stop killing children ".

I don't find it strange is all

Yeah, but if Hamas just did everything Israel wants then Israel would stop killing all the innocent people and they could live peaceful lives free from Israel aggression and oppression.

<{chips}>

 

[Siver!]

Pressure mounts on Israel over its rejection of two-state solution​

By Loveday Morris Emily Rauhala and Hazem Balousha

Israel’s war against Hamas is seeding hate, and a two-state solution is needed, European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said Monday amid escalating international pressure on Israel to work toward a long-term political road map to peace.

Commenting before a day of intense diplomacy in Brussels — where European foreign ministers are gathering alongside counterparts from Israel, the Palestinian Authority, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Arab League — Borrell said he knows that Israel has “a different stand.”

“Which are the other solutions they have in mind?” he asked, referring to the Israelis. “To make all the Palestinians leave? To kill … them?” He added that the current Israeli military operation that has killed 25,000 people in the Gaza Strip is “seeding the hate for generations.”

But as he spoke, Israel appeared to be intensifying its operations in the densely packed southern part of the enclave. Amid heavy bombardment, families reported having to flee southwestern zones including the seaside al-Mawasi area, which had been designated by Israel as a safe zone.


The Palestine Red Crescent Society said it has completely lost contact with teams in the southern city of Khan Younis due to the Israeli “ground invasion.”

Israeli troops had stormed al-Khair Hospital in western Khan Younis and detained medical staff, the Gaza Health Ministry said. Ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Qudra called the health situation in Gaza “catastrophic and indescribable.” The Washington Post was unable to verify the report.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has said he is proud of his historic efforts to block Palestinian statehood, has repeatedly rejected the idea. A Palestinian state is an “existential danger” to Israel, he reiterated Sunday, vowing to continue to oppose it as long as he is prime minister.

But the bloodshed of the Hamas attack on Oct. 7 and devastating pace of civilian casualties in Israel’s ensuing war have revived a push for a two-state solution. The notion of two states for two people is broadly supported in the international community, including by the United States and the United Nations.

“I think that we have to stop talking about the peace process and start talking more concretely about the two-state solution process,” Borrell said ahead of the meetings in Brussels, where he will present a 12-point plan to revitalize the Middle East peace process.

The plan “aims to address the conflict and occupation that preceded the Gaza war and that, if left unaddressed, must be expected to lead to further wars,” according to a copy obtained by The Washington Post.

“There is no credible comprehensive solution other than an independent Palestinian State living side by side with Israel, in peace and security, with full normalization and substantive development of security and economic cooperation between Israel, Palestine and the region,” it said. It called for the establishment of a “Preparatory Peace Conference” at “the earliest opportunity” to discuss a lasting solution.

Middle Eastern countries represented in Brussels on Monday have also been working on plans to end the conflict, with Saudi Arabia explicitly tying normalization of relations with Israel to a credible path to Palestinian statehood.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/22/israel-gaza-hamas-eu-two-state/

But we keep getting told pressure WON'T grow...

 

[Rholk]

2 months of ceasefire for the hostages, we'll see what comes of it.
Not convinced after what the Palestinians did with the last deal, but there's some hope.

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/22/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-hostages

 

[KnightTemplar]

Right on. That’s almost exactly what I posted a couple pages back. Very odd.

I can't remember if it was this Thread or a previous one, but I pointed out that if Hamas really wanted to fuck with the IDF, all they'd have to do was surrender and release all remaining hostages.

The moment Hamas did that, the USA would tell Israel to cease fire. And the Israeli's would have no choice but to obey, given how much they rely on American support.

 

[Koya]

CNN witnessed first-hand results of Israel's bulldozing of graveyards in Gaza​

 

[Snubnoze707]

No children are being blown to smithereens in those demolition videos you're referencing. Quit exaggerating.

I'm not referencing demolition videos, I'm referencing videos of them joking around while firing rockets into civilian populated areas. Yes, kids are being blown to smithereens everywhere in Gaza as a result of those IDF terrorists. Then they go and play around on bikes in ruins, laughing and having a grand ol' time. Fucking animals.

 

[scoopj]

I can't remember if it was this Thread or a previous one, but I pointed out that if Hamas really wanted to fuck with the IDF, all they'd have to do was surrender and release all remaining hostages.

The moment Hamas did that, the USA would tell Israel to cease fire. And the Israeli's would have no choice but to obey, given how much they rely on American support.

While I don’t see Hamas ever surrendering, returning all hostages as a part of a brokered deal for a ceasefire would put Israel in a tough spot if they continued the onslaught.

 

[Siver!]

2 months of ceasefire for the hostages, we'll see what comes of it.
Not convinced after what the Palestinians did with the last deal, but there's some hope.

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/22/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-hostages

Great news!

Two month pause followed by a far smaller assault.

The pressure has worked.

Hostages prioritised at last, and the increased likelihood Netanyahu pays for his errors and his 'pride' at holding Palestine down.

 

[Koya]

Hostage families storm Israeli parliament demanding release of their relatives – video​

Hostage families storm Israeli parliament demanding release of their relatives – video

Family members of people taken hostage during the Hamas attack on 7 October have stormed an Israeli parliament panel to demand their release

www.theguardian.com

 

[Koya]

Biden "running out" of patience with Bibi as Gaza war hits 100 days​

Full article: https://www.axios.com/2024/01/14/biden-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war-tensions

State of play: The main driver of Biden's frustration is Netanyahu's resistance to moving on requests that are U.S. priorities.

• In addition to the tax revenue issue, Biden and his advisers believe Israel isn't doing enough to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.
• They're also frustrated by Netanyahu's unwillingness to seriously discuss plans for the day after the war and his rejection of the U.S. plan for a reformed Palestinian Authority to have a role in post-Hamas Gaza.
• U.S. officials are now growing increasingly concerned that Israel won't meet its timetable to transition to low-intensity operations in Gaza by the end of January, based on where things stand in Gaza, particularly in the southern city of Khan Younis.
• If Israel doesn't significantly scale down its operations in Gaza — which U.S. officials have been pressing for in hopes of reducing Palestinian casualties — it will likely become increasingly difficult for Biden to maintain the same level of support for Israel's military campaign.

What they're saying: Asked about the frustrations, an NSC spokesperson told Axios the administration is "focused on making sure Israel can defend itself from Hamas," seeking to increase aid to Gaza "to alleviate the suffering of Palestinian civilians" and working with Israel "to secure the release of all the hostages."

The big picture: Secretary of State Tony Blinken's visit to Israel last week only exacerbated the frustrations within the White House and the State Department, the U.S. officials who spoke to Axios said.

• Netanyahu did agree to allow a UN mission to enter northern Gaza to assess the needs for the future return of Palestinian civilians to the area, but that was about all he was willing to give Blinken.
• Blinken was very blunt with Netanyahu and his War Cabinet, stressing that the Israeli government's plan for the day after the war is "pie in the sky," a U.S. official said.
• Blinken, who pointedly visited Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar before heading to Israel, also told Israeli leaders that "no Arab country is going to bail them out" on the rebuilding and governance of Gaza if Israel doesn't allow the PA to have a role and doesn't allow for a political horizon for the Palestinians, the official said.

It became clear to Blinken and his team during their trip that Netanyahu's refusal to release the Palestinian tax revenues is hampering U.S. efforts to push for reforms in the Palestinian Authority, according to two sources familiar with the secretary of state's meetings.

• Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas told Blinken in Ramallah he was ready to form a new government — at the administration's request — but stressed it wouldn't be able to function without money, and the tax revenues are a big part of the budget, the sources said.

What to watch: The Biden administration is trying to change Netanyahu's calculus by reviving efforts to reach a mega-deal with Saudi Arabia that would include a historic peace deal with Israel.

• Blinken told Netanyahu that Saudi Arabia still wants normalization after the war ends, but only if Israel commits to the principle of a two-state solution, U.S. and Israeli officials previously told Axios.
• While admitting it's "far-fetched" to think Netanyahu could agree to a deal that sets a path towards a Palestinian state, U.S. officials say they want to present an alternative vision to what many fear will be an endless war in Gaza.

 

[Siver!]

Hostage families storm Israeli parliament demanding release of their relatives – video​

Hostage families storm Israeli parliament demanding release of their relatives – video

Family members of people taken hostage during the Hamas attack on 7 October have stormed an Israeli parliament panel to demand their release

www.theguardian.com

A real shame for those sufferin Israeli's that they have to do this and put themselves at risk for an obstinate POS whose only interest is himself.

Fuck you, Netanyahu.

 

[Siver!]

‘In the name of God, go’, ex-PM tells Netanyahu

Ehud Barak says the only way out of Gaza conflict is to have an election straight away

www.telegraph.co.uk

Mimicking Leo Amery’s political assassination of Neville Chamberlain in 1940, Mr Barak said of Mr Netanyahu, his great rival: “In the name of God, go.”

Chamberlain was ousted for wrongly pursuing peace; Mr Netanyahu, on the other hand, is accused by Mr Barak of pursuing a vengeful, violent conflict without a strategic endgame. His criticism is withering.

Mr Netanyahu is clinging on to power when he should have resigned in the aftermath of the military and intelligence failures that precipitated the October 7 massacres, Mr Barak believes.

“Israel cannot announce victory without destroying the military and the governing capabilities of Hamas. But for Hamas to win it just needs to survive. And even if Israel kills Sinwar [Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas leader], they will still survive,” says Mr Barak, adding: “The only way [out of the conflict] is to have an election straight away.”

Mr Netanyahu is propped up, says Mr Barak, by far-Right ministers who he dismissively describes as the “Proud Boys”, a reference to the racist, pro-Trump thugs who stormed the Capitol three years ago.

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This week or next week?