Social Joy Reid Defends Books with Pedophilia in Public School Librairies

[CantCucktheTuck]

does a 16 year old teen seeing a photo of war injuries/causalities or holocaust victims go straight to the orphanage in your church of the thin skinned?

what about a bloody MMA fight?

I'm mostly referring to sexual content.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I think the issue here is that there are things that require judgment rather than easily obeyed rules, and some people have extreme difficulty with that.

Surely you mean judgment of the constituents to district versus the judgment of the child.

 

[spamking]

And as a catholic I can’t believe I’m arguing religious texts are not appropriate for public schools

This totally depends on how the texts would be used. I see nothing wrong with various religious texts being used in Humanities or Literature classes.

 

[Sinister]

In all fairness…. the same can be said about teachers. Not many days go by where a teacher isn’t preaching hate at a specific group, being sexually inappropriate, having inappropriate sexual relationships with students or getting caught doing things like putting cameras in bathrooms / locker rooms etc in the public school systems.

You wont see me arguing that teachers should be invulnerable from accountability of their own actions. However this group was specifically created to target specific communities and attempt to erase their input from this part of society, and one of the means of accomplishing it is to remove books from accessibility that are not part of school curriculums. They're not trying to dictate what is being taught in this facet. They're not trying to dictate what their kids can or cant read in this context. They are trying to dictate what all kids can or cant read in this context. No different than all the outraged parent groups who wanted Mortal Kombat banned, GTA banned, Hip Hop music banned, Elvis's hips banned, etc.

 

[shockaholic12]

I'm mostly referring to sexual content.

Why the double standards?

 

[Rob Battisti]

I don’t get the argument here.

Let’s look at it logically.

Allow EVERYTHING. Which is what I see every leftist poster here saying but not wanting to admit.

Allow NOTHING. Which no one is saying.

In between those two book ends is a degree of explicit content which the discussion revolves around what ought to be exposed to children.

For @Sara myself and others, we draw the line at graphic sexual content.

What I wish the people arguing against removal of graphic sexual content would admit is that they believe it’s beneficial to expose children to graphic sexual content.

 

[spamking]

Speaker Mike Johnson uses his underage kid as his “porn accountability partner.” It’s ok though and not weird or perverse at all, because he’s a good Christian Republican man.

Just imagine if more fathers took an active role in discussing the harmful nature of porn on young men with their sons.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Though, this whole discussion is stupid anyway because libraries are going away anyway.

This is a dumb discussion. The only reason it bugs me is that adults out there are okay with exposing kids to graphic sexual content.

 

[shockaholic12]

I don’t get the argument here.

Let’s look at it logically.

Allow EVERYTHING. Which is what I see every leftist poster here saying but not wanting to admit.

Allow NOTHING. Which no one is saying.

In between those two book ends is a degree of explicit content which the discussion revolves around what ought to be exposed to children.

For @Sara myself and others, we draw the line at graphic sexual content.

What I wish the people arguing against removal of graphic sexual content would admit is that they believe it’s beneficial to expose children to graphic sexual content.

I've never argued for everything at any age, middle school and elementary kids don't get books from the same library as seniors. That's a bad take you made up on your own to come at.

I explained why in detail it's important to include some descriptions and first hand accounts of sex. Because that's how people learn, including kids since they are often enough victims of these acts. That's why we include first hand accounts and descriptions in most subjects. To combat ignorance. To give them a more through understanding of the concepts and situations they may have to navigate which are complicated.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Your link says it hasn't been "banned" from the school, it's one of a bunch of books being reviewed.


The 1,000+ books they reference have not been banned or removed from the school district; rather, they have simply been pulled for further review to ensure compliance with the new legislation," according to ECPS spokesperson Cody Strother.

That's a fair distinction but I think if 1600+ books are pulled including classics with obvious literary value like The Diary of a Young Girl and I know Why the Caged Bird Sings its fair to consider whether too wide a net is being cast.

I asked you specifically about graphic sexual content. Not what happened in Florida.

True but what exactly is graphic sexual content? Maus was removed from some libraries because in at least one panel there's a depiction of naked bodies but I think its obvious that this work has literary value.

In general as long as its not actual pornography I think its fine to have it in a school library. Like I said most kids are not going to read most books in there. Assigned reading is a different story, there should be higher standards for assigned readings because not only do the students not have a choice in the matter but there's also an opportunity cost as you can only assign so many books.

 

[shockaholic12]

Though, this whole discussion is stupid anyway because libraries are going away anyway.

This is a dumb discussion. The only reason it bugs me is that adults out there are okay with exposing kids to graphic sexual content.

It bugs me that adults are taking resources from vulnerable kids who are the victims of adults all in the name of identify politics and hurt sensibilities.

 

[Goatenstein]

If you whine about this and support any religious book you are a hypocrite.

 

[Rob Battisti]

That's a fair distinction but I think if 1600+ books are pulled including classics with obvious literary value like The Diary of a Young Girl and I know Why the Caged Bird Sings its fair to consider whether too wide a net is being cast.

True but what exactly is graphic sexual content? Maus was removed from some libraries because in at least one panel there's a depiction of naked bodies but I think its obvious that this work has literary value.

In general as long as its not actual pornography I think its fine to have it in a school library. Like I said most kids are not going to read most books in there. Assigned reading is a different story, there should be higher standards for assigned readings because not only do the students not have a choice in the matter but there's also an opportunity cost as you can only assign so many books.

Okay so you are okay with certain books being taken out?

 

[Rob Battisti]

If you whine about this and support any religious book you are a hypocrite.

The Koran Torah and Bible have no literary or cultural value compared to explicit sexual content?

 

[HereticBD]

If you whine about this and support any religious book you are a hypocrite.

It's always adorable when edgy Atheists think this is some kind of supreme argument ending gotcha.

 

[koquerelle]

If there wasn't graphic fucking in it, then these guys wouldn't be pushing it.

Explain why many people find it disturbing they banned Maus? I don't remember seeing graphic fucking in it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Okay so you are okay with certain books being taken out?

In theory yes but idk that I've seen an example of a book that's been removed that I would agree with. Surely some of the 1600+ books that were pulled for review were objectionable but so far it looks more like a moral panic and another battlefield in the culture war rather than any real issue. One of the books in question, All Boys Aren't Blue, I think should be allowed in a high school library based off the little I've read about it.

 

[Brueskie]

Those of us paying attention have known for years that there was eventually going to be a move to normalize pedophillia.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Explain why many people find it disturbing they banned Maus? I don't remember seeing graphic fucking in it.

There's a panel with a pile of naked dead bodies in it which is unarguably graphic. Not that I agree that this means it should be pulled, quite the opposite in that I think it shows how graphic content can have literary value. The Holocaust was, to put it lightly, a graphic event and there's only so much you can do to soften it for young people.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Its kind of an older conception of America freedom, freedom not of the individual but of the community to govern itself and to shape its physical and social environment according to community norms.

That sounds a lot like unfreedom to me.

Surely you mean judgment of the constituents to district versus the judgment of the child.

The judgment of educators (librarians, teachers, principals) about what should be available in the library.

I don’t get the argument here.

Let’s look at it logically.

Allow EVERYTHING. Which is what I see every leftist poster here saying but not wanting to admit.

Allow NOTHING. Which no one is saying.

This is a perfect illustration of bias. Literally no one, much less "every leftist poster" accepts your strawman version of the left, while you rightly note that the rightist version is a strawman. I just don't get why it's so hard for you to discuss an issue without feeling the need to lie about what other people think.