Social Super Size Me scam

[Loiosh]

That's dumb

It's necessary in order to maintain my weight and BP. Every single man in my family is overweight, my father used to run ten miles a day to manage his until his knees finally gave out. I fast/keto to manage mine.

It isn't fun but it works and I feel good.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

It ALL does. The drive to eat is pushed by the factors I described which vary based on what you consume.

Of course calories in/out is important but it's more important to know how to control that. Obviously.

Firstly, you didn't describe anything. You simply alluded to ghrelin and leptin being primordial triggers with zero explanation as to how that overrides the idea of being in an energy deficit leading to weight-loss. That's because you literally can't.

Secondly, CICO is irrefutable irrespective of the hormonal or metabolic influences we are subjected to. It isn't merely "important" it's absolutely everything.

Third, your gripe with people who parrot CICO are with respect to diet adherence. Sure, there are many metabolic/hormonal pathways working against fat people, but those pathways do not CONTROL your actions. You are still full well able to choose to eat a lower calorie, fiber rich, filling meal. Ghrelin and leptin don't force you to eat calorically sense foods nor do they absolve you of the same biological realities everyone is subjected to.


Once again, if you are in a deficit, you will lose weight.


Period.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

That's really all it comes down to. Eat less, move more. People want it to be more complicated than that because eating less and moving more takes effort and dicipline.

They want to believe something else is to blame. Most of the people who can't control their weight are no where near as rigorous with their diet as they'd like to believe.

One bad day a week is enough to throw off your weekly average. Unless I'm there looking at what they eat on a 24/7 basis, I have no reason to believe that they are adhering to their diets the way they describe


"But but but but I tried every diet in the world and still couldn't lose weight! I would run a marathon a day and STILL couldn't."

Sure there bud.

 

[Yehudim]

Really? Why?
It's not like you need to fake it to stack on weight if you're only eating McDonalds and always the largest serves.
I've heard there's salads and other token foods on the menu these days that aren't completely awful, and supposedly they even offer real coffee now (not sure if that was related to the bad publicity of their percolated coffee), but I assume the majority of it is still potatoes, fruit pies, battered fish and battered chicken deep fried in "shortening" along with burgers made from sweet bread, HFCS filled sauce, awful cheese and low quality beef?
Not to mention the thick shakes, soft drink, ice cream, sundaes, flurries and muffins of course.

Really? Why?
It's not like you need to fake it to stack on weight if you're only eating McDonalds and always the largest serves.
I've heard there's salads and other token foods on the menu these days that aren't completely awful, and supposedly they even offer real coffee now (not sure if that was related to the bad publicity of their percolated coffee), but I assume the majority of it is still potatoes, fruit pies, battered fish and battered chicken deep fried in "shortening" along with burgers made from sweet bread, HFCS filled sauce, awful cheese and low quality beef?
Not to mention the thick shakes, soft drink, ice cream, sundaes, flurries and muffins of course.

Hahaha, you really know how to paint a picture of how bad it is.

 

[DiddlyDoodly]

Ben Affleck and Matt Damon are supposed to make a movie about that.

Seriously?

 

[Sinister]

People need to start understanding the idea that there are no truly unhealthy foods, but unhealthy habits. What's healthy or unhealthy is relative.

This is categorically false, there are DEFINITELY healthy and unhealthy foods, and not all calories are created equal. Simplifying nutritional health to a basic math equation is akin to saying one is financially savvy if they understand the concept of saving more money than they spend (keeping in mind the contradictory mantra that you must spend money to make money). Not a calories are created equal, meaning they don't all go solely into energy balance (this is especially true of fat calories). Being thin also isn't a great marker for health, as an example Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s uncle Roger died of diabetes, and he was never overweight once in his entire life...I got to witness some of the descent into the dementia that accompanies that as he wandered into our gym one day with no clue where he was. When I first met he and Floyd Sr they were both in really good shape and still worked out, but they also ate like 7 year-olds.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

This is categorically false, there are DEFINITELY healthy and unhealthy foods, and not all calories are created equal.

It's actually true. Define the terms. What makes a food "healthy"?

I'll wait.

Simplifying nutritional health to a basic math equation

No one did that, you're just making shit up because you are a buffoon. Weight-loss is an equation however. Brush up on your reading comprehension.

Being thin also isn't a great marker for health

Its actually a much better predictor for health outcomes and lowered rates of all cause mortality and your one anecdote doesn't change that.

 

[Ruprecht]

Hahaha, you really know how to paint a picture of how bad it is.

It's weird that some people seem to be defending Maccas here.
Didn't think it was controversial that they were a global chain of franchises selling cheap shitty food made palatable with an excess of cheap fat, carbs and sugars.
The worst thing about working there was the lard accumulating on your skin and the stench of it in your hair. You could literally scrape the stuff off your skin and clothes if you worked at a fry station, and it had a particular odour of cheap vegetable oil with added "natural beef flavour".
At least they started cooking to order more than they used to, rather than the old model of precook, leave on a heated rack for 15 minutes and throw away. That was another level of disgusting.

 

[Sinister]

It's actually true. Define the terms. What makes a food "healthy"?

I'll wait.



No one did that, you're just making shit up because you are a buffoon. Weight-loss is an equation however. Brush up on your reading comprehension.



Its actually a much better predictor for health outcomes and lowered rates of all cause mortality and your one anecdote doesn't change that.

You won't have to wait.

What makes a food healthy would be things like it not being carcinogenic on any level, and due to varying tolerances for different things, how does it affect your internal systems. The term "healthy" is individualized, so if you're looking for a cookie-cutter response you won't get one. However, someone with hyper-insulinemia isn't going to tolerate simple carbohydrate well. People with high blood-pressure naturally should watch the combination of sodium and sugar intake. One of my students is a type 1 diabetic, certain foods don't do sh*t for his glucose numbers which we have to monitor as he trains or he crashes mid-workout.

To say there's no such thing as healthy and unhealthy foods is just wrong. And on average going by various collections of medical data, the less processed a food is the better it is for optimal overall health, as opposed to merely not dying.

Weight loss is just one aspect of health. That was the point, and plenty of things can f*ck up that equation. I'm gonna guess you have never actually been in charge of anyone gaining or cutting weight while they have to perform optimal tasks. The anecdote was about a common understanding in actual nutritional science which is twofold:

1) Thinness doesn't automatically equal good health. Plenty of thin people die of diabetes, environmentally caused cancers, heart disease, etc.

2) Genetics play a much bigger role than people realize. Hence, being genetically vulnerable to being obese and then getting thin doesn't mean you're not still vulnerable to the same problems, but you will likely be able to hold them off for longer:

Slim people have a genetic advantage when it comes to maintaining their weight

In the largest study of its kind to date, researchers have looked at why some people manage to stay thin while others gain weight easily. They have found that the genetic dice are loaded in favor of thin people and against those at the obese end of the spectrum.

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[My Spot]

Haven't seen it, but can't really blame the grog for the weight gain if it'd been consistent prior to the food.
Wasn't part of his documentary about accepting to super size everything whenever they upsold, which was mandatory for their employees?
The idea of Mcdonalds having a "fast-food shine" sounds alien to me, there was never any "gloss" to tarnish. I can't remember anyone ever thinking of McDonalds as quality food, and they never even used pink slime here.

It was BS because he was eating over 5000 calories a day and intentionally being as lazy as possible. Also loaded up on soda.

 

[Sinister]

It was BS because he was eating over 5000 calories a day and intentionally being as lazy as possible. Also loaded up on soda.

The other BS was the emphasis on fat calories, which were eclipsed by the starch and sugar calories he was taking in just by virtue of the drinks and nature of the food.

 

[Ruprecht]

It was BS because he was eating over 5000 calories a day and intentionally being as lazy as possible. Also loaded up on soda.

Well surely not even Americans actually eat 3 meals a day at Maccas... right? Obviously it was a stunt.
I think the general idea that junk food is bad still holds. Is that controversial in the US?

 

[My Spot]

Well surely not even Americans actually eat 3 meals a day at Maccas... right? Obviously it was a stunt.
I think the general idea that junk food is bad still holds. Is that controversial in the US?

You can easily eat 3 meals a day at McDonald's for under 1800 calories.

 

[Ruprecht]

You can easily eat 3 meals a day at McDonald's for under 1800 calories.

Really? Admittedly it's been 3 decades since I've eaten there, and no doubt the US menu is larger.
I just looked at the nutritional page though, and it's still shit.

 

[My Spot]

Really? Admittedly it's been 3 decades since I've eaten there, and no doubt the US menu is larger.
I just looked at there nutritional page though, and it's still shit.

sausage egg and cheese mcmuffin: 480 cal
double cheeseburger and small fries: 650 cal
double cheeseburger and small fries: 650 cal (or you can substitute nuggets for either one on the 2 for $3.50 menu)

 

[Ruprecht]

sausage egg and cheese mcmuffin: 480 cal
double cheeseburger and small fries: 650 cal
double cheeseburger and small fries: 650 cal (or you can substitute nuggets for either one on the 2 for $3.50 menu)

That's not really 3 meals though is it?
Are there actually American adults that eat that little? Where do you hide them?

 

[My Spot]

That's not really 3 meals though is it?
Are there actually American adults that eat that little? Where do you hide them?

650 cal isn't a meal?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

They want to believe something else is to blame. Most of the people who can't control their weight are no where near as rigorous with their diet as they'd like to believe.

One bad day a week is enough to throw off your weekly average. Unless I'm there looking at what they eat on a 24/7 basis, I have no reason to believe that they are adhering to their diets the way they describe


"But but but but I tried every diet in the world and still couldn't lose weight! I would run a marathon a day and STILL couldn't."

Sure there bud.

I eat once a day!!

 

[Ruprecht]

650 cal isn't a meal?

Sure, but that's the point about the caloric density of the food at McDonalds. Of course you could also just get 3 medium frappes a day and meet your caloric goal, but either way it's not actually a decent feed that anyone would be likely to consume.

 

[Yehudim]

Well surely not even Americans actually eat 3 meals a day at Maccas... right? Obviously it was a stunt.
I think the general idea that junk food is bad still holds. Is that controversial in the US?

Everybody knew it was bad, what you’re missing is how it was framed. If 30 days of McDonald’s can cause fatty liver, then imagine what moderate consumption over many years can do. Never mind that the guy was a heavy drinker and it probably had nothing to do with that.

Nobody ate like that, but we all eat McDonald’s and people thought it was going to kill us slowly like working in a coal mine or something.

The guy had some catastrophic health results although it was completely deceiving since he got in shape and quit smoking before he made the documentary.