Is Shogun rua the lhw goat without any asterisk?

[Preston broadus]

Was there anyone better than prime shogun at lhw who wasn't on peds or trt?

 

[Davidjacksonjones]

He's definitely up there in terms of accomplishments
But head to head I think DC beats him

 

[Heisenboom]

Not a goat.

 

[loisestrad]

He's definitely up there in terms of accomplishments
But head to head I think DC beats him

Well, Jones obviously put an extreme beating on Shogun and had competitive fights with DC.

So going by a bit of MMA math, DC beats Shogun relatively easily.

 

[OLD RED]

Well, Jones obviously put an extreme beating on Shogun and had competitive fights with DC.

So going by a bit of MMA math, DC beats Shogun relatively easily.

DCs overall career is better than Shoguns but Shoguns LHW career is better than DCs LHW career.

 

[sonhow]

If we can just choose our goats/division.
I choose Tito as my goat.

 

[AdamWarlock]

goat is being used too loosely in mma, no other sports have different names pop up in threads daily claiming goats

there should technically only be 1 goat, with 2-3 potential candidates for contention. that's what make the phrase "greatest of all time" special

having so many fighters claim goats only make the sport look amateur

 

[loisestrad]

DCs overall career is better than Shoguns but Shoguns LHW career is better than DCs LHW career.

Yeah, but the OP reads: "Was there anyone better than prime shogun?"

Which I took as "better in a fight between the two" - not as in "had the better carreer at LHW".

 

[loisestrad]

goat is being used too loosely in mma, no other sports have different names pop up in threads daily claiming goats

there should technically only be 1 goat, with 2-3 potential candidates for contention. that's what make the phrase "greatest of all time" special

having so many fighters claim goats only make the sport look amateur

Well, MMA has weight classes, which i.e. football or soccer doesn't. So obviously there are gonna be more potential GOAT's in MMA.

 

[ryun253]

Top 5

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I thought Shogun was the GOAT LHW before Jones showed up. I'm assuming we're saying Jones does not count, even though he did beat Shogun's ass pretty badly, and certainly was not popped for drugs

I would say Cormier is the 2nd best LHW of all time, and Rua is third. Head to head, I would favor Cormier by decision.

 

[Adamant]

Jones. Nothing wrong with PEDs

 

[Mike]

Huh? No man.

 

[Follow99]

Watch PRIDE Final Conflict 2005
Then come back to this thread

 

[Greyscale]

He would've been had Jon Jones never existed

 

[Richard Fannin]

2005 Shogun was a supernova, he didn't have reach advantage, size advantage, he wasn't a roid head, but he still ran through his competition via stomps & soccer kicks.




He's the only 205 guy who's been the best LHW in MMA on 2 separate occasions.
When he won the PRIDE GP, and a few years later, when he healed his injury and beat the invincible undefeated RYOTO by decision & by KO.

Shogun is on the same list as GSP, Gomi or Fedor. Natty warriors without massive weight/height/reach advantages over the rest of their divisions, and they still made it to the top.

WAR SHOGUN RUA

 

[HavokHarmon]

Still wonder what it would have looked like if he had faced Rashad in his first defense instead of Jones.

 

[newms84]

Well, MMA has weight classes, which i.e. football or soccer doesn't. So obviously there are gonna be more potential GOAT's in MMA.

Other sports like football have different positions though so it's not that far off from weight classes. Probably actually easier to compare fighters at different weights than it is to compare a quarterback to a defensive lineman or linebacker or whatever

 

[WokeWarrior]

Shogun is not a GOAT, Legend for sure but not a Goat,
and didnt he get chocked tf out by forrest or am i buggin. too lazy to check.
listing anyone aside from jon jones as GOAT is tricky
but i do know that The best light heavy weights of all time are
JON JONES
DC
ANTHONY RUMBLE JOHNSON

Nobody in any era in the 205 beats those 3 at their Peak.
And i dare anybody to say otherwise. Tell me who beats peak 205 rumble johnson
aside from DC and jones.......exactly.....

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Shogun would've been goat middle-weight if he just sleepy-trainy-little eaty.