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Good for those who are struggling.
Maybe the companies who are moaning can make economy cars as well?
China already has that covered.
Good for those who are struggling.
Maybe the companies who are moaning can make economy cars as well?
- They arent cheap here. Except for Shineray.I guess to counteract this we can all buy cheap mopeds and drive them to work instead of buying overpriced American EV vehicles.
Chinese cars are dangerous, including the flagships from the "best" brands. Key components routinely experience random complete failure, e.g. brakes failing in the middle of the highway. Aside from dangerous failures, basic components that should be lasting decades will break within months on a brand new car. The build quality is absolutely abysmal. EVs' batteries often catch fire spontaneously, creating a borderline inextinguishable chemical fire. This is already a problem with normal EVs, but the risk is on another level with the Chinese models. Not to mention that there's no question the CCP will put adversarial software into the electronics of the car itself; trust that you don't want anything to do with that.
Realistically I don't think they'll be sold in the US. Legislation will block it, probably not to protect people but if nothing else to protect vested interests in the industry.
Put a smartphone in the center of it and you can drive it. lolI feel like all these electric cars are just just fancy bodies strapped to battery packs and 4 wheels.
Maybe someone can change my mind but when it comes to cars I am strongly against tariffs. Keeping Chinese vehicles at arms length might be a good idea since they are an adversary nation and their vehicles could be a Trojan horse for spyware but I don't see any reason why we should have tariffs on vehicles from allied nations like Japan, Korea, or those from Europe. Its not like cars are a luxury item, for the vast majority of Americans they're a necessity. I don't like that fact and as I've made clear in many threads I advocate for changing that ASAP but its the current reality and given that I should be able to buy cheap Japanese cars.Michael Wayland@MIKEWAYLAND
- The China-built BYD Seagull, a small all-electric hatchback, starts at just 69,800 yuan (or less than $10,000), and reportedly banks a profit for the increasingly influential Chinese automaker.
- There’s fear among global automakers that BYD and other Chinese rivals could flood their markets, undercutting domestic production and vehicle prices.
- “Ultimately the Chinese will come to the U.S.,” said Marin Gjaja, chief operating officer for Ford’s EV unit, during a recent interview with CNBC.
Growing concerns
BYD’s rise comes at a precarious time for global auto industry dynamics.
While China’s automakers expand, America’s traditional automakers have shrunk in both their domestic market and China.
Their decline in the U.S. has come with the arrival of Japanese automakers such as Toyota Motor, Nissan Motor and Honda Motor, as well as, more recently, South Korean auto giant Hyundai Motor and its Kia unit.
The so-called Big Three U.S. automakers — GM, Ford and Chrysler, now owned by Stellantis — have watched their U.S. market share deteriorate from 75% in 1984 to about 40% in 2023, according to industry data.
Politicians in the U.S., concerned about their local auto industries, have taken aim at Chinese imports and lawmakers in Europe have launched a probe into the rise of China-made EVs.
“We are very concerned about China bigfooting our industry in the United States even as we are building up now this incredible backbone of manufacturing,” Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said March 6 during a discussion panel at an Axios event.
Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida has proposed sharply boosting tariffs on Chinese vehicle imports by $20,000 per vehicle to stop the country “from flooding U.S. auto markets.”
Currently, Chinese-built EVs are subject to a 27.5% tariff when imported into the U.S. That includes a 2.5% tariff that generally applies to imported cars plus an additional 25% tariff introduced by the Trump administration in 2018 on China-made vehicles.
Chinese automakers could still build in Mexico, though, and import vehicles to the U.S. from there through the USMCA, formerly the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA.
However, former President Donald Trump – the front-runner among Republicans in the 2024 presidential race – on Saturday suggested instituting a 100% tariff on cars made in Mexico by Chinese companies, should he be elected to a second term.
I agree and in light if that don't you think we should get rid of tariffs on brands that come from allied nations like Japan?Buy a used Toyota. You'll come out way ahead.
It'll be interesting to see the future of auto companies. In general I can't help but feel like they are very overpriced at the moment.
was just in Shanghai, very impressive considering their start. my friend told me they produce every piece of the car themselves so they are quite affordable.
Naahh those rice boxes have to be purchased on Temu...even Amazon has some standardsCan you buy these on Amazon?
- It's to protecty the inside industry and keep american jobs afloat. They did the same thing here when Lifan come here. Our internal industry sells over-priced cars, that come empty. Lifan was selling cars containg what is considered deluxe intens here, but selling for the same oprice of a popular car.Maybe someone can change my mind but when it comes to cars I am strongly against tariffs. Keeping Chinese vehicles at arms length might be a good idea since they are an adversary nation and their vehicles could be a Trojan horse for spyware but I don't see any reason why we should have tariffs on vehicles from allied nations like Japan, Korea, or those from Europe. Its not like cars are a luxury item, for the vast majority of Americans they're a necessity. I don't like that fact and as I've made clear in many threads I advocate for changing that ASAP but its the current reality and given that I should be able to buy cheap Japanese cars.
Personally I am skeptical of tech products that come out of China, which these days includes cars with how digitized they are, but if I could get a new car for ~$10,000 and the government imposed tariffs or otherwise made it more difficult to acquire I'd be pissed. If you're going to block Chinese cars then at least don't out tariffs on Japanese ones.
I agree and in light if that don't you think we should get rid of tariffs on brands that come from allied nations like Japan?
I get that but its an insufficient reason IMO. We're supposed to be a free market country and we've made cars a necessity by underinvesting in public transport and building everything around the car only to put tariffs on foreign automobiles? Everyone knows the gold standard of affordability and reliability are Toyota and Honda and yet we're making them less accessible.- It's to protecty the inside industry and keep american jobs afloat. They did the same thing here when Lifan come here. Our internal industry sells over-priced cars, that come empty. Lifan was selling cars containg what is considered deluxe intens here, but selling for the same oprice of a popular car.
So they did everything to make their life hard, making hard to replacing intens to enter, to open a oficine to atend their cars.
If it was available in NA the primary reason I wouldn't buy it is because of the risk of Chinese spyware. Personally not a fan of EVs but if I could get a new one for ~$10,000-$11,000 it'd be a no brainer.That POS tin can won’t sell in NA, lol.