Media Tom Aspinall Calls Cain Velasquez "Best & Favorite" Heavyweight MMA Fighter EVER - Hints At Fighting In Manchester

[RonDante]

Really good point on a surface level but you look into the history and Cain wasn't 100% in any of those fights except maybe Werdum and JDS wasn't even in his prime when he fought Stipe the 2nd time.

I agree for the ngannou fight but the jds fight, it’s heavyweight and people get caught all the time, and then the werdum fight, cain had never fought anyone as good on the ground as werdum before

 

[VinceArch]

cain had never fought anyone as good on the ground as werdum before

and I said Cain might've been 100% healthy for that one.

 

[Domitian]

I think he’s the best fighter ever period Cain at his peak beats any mma fighter ever including any version of jones

How exactly is Cain beating Prime Jones? Let's not forget Jones beat Prime DC 49-46 and it wasn't really close.

I don't really see a path to victory there for Cain. He's not outwrestling Jon, he's not knocking him out, he's not subbing him, and he's not winning a decision.

 

[Black9]

How exactly is Cain beating Prime Jones? Let's not forget Jones beat Prime DC 49-46 and it wasn't really close.

At heavyweight?
He's gonna out-pace him throwing takedowns and boxing combos pushing forward the entire time. Prime Jones will gas out with the added weight.

 

[Domitian]

At heavyweight?
He's gonna out-pace him throwing takedowns and boxing combos pushing forward the entire time. Prime Jones will gas out with the added weight.

Jon wouldn't need the added weight. He could show up at 220 and beat Cain. What takedowns? Prime Olympian DC went like 1-8 trying to take Jon down and got taken down 3 times himself.

Most likely, Jon uses his speed, length, and skill to pick off Cain at range. It would be a unanimous decision for Jones. I think maybe some of you are forgetting just how much of a monster Jon was in 2015.

 

[Black9]

Jon wouldn't need the added weight. He could show up at 220 and beat Cain. What takedowns? Prime Olympian DC went like 1-8 trying to take Jon down and got taken down 3 times himself.

Most likely, Jon uses his speed, length, and skill to pick off Cain at range. It would be a unanimous decision for Jones.

Well according to DC himself, he was never able to beat Cain a round nor rarely if ever take him down. Cain could be a better MMA wrestler as we know on paper wrestling accomplishments doesn't necessarily always translate to MMA.

Cain is also larger than LHW DC. I'm almost certain he takes Jon down or outboxes him for periods. Jones biggest weakness IMO is his actual boxing which Cain can capitilize on.

It's a great fight, but it's probably the best match-up that's why it was talked about ages ago as a 50/50 fight if not Cain being favored by alot of analysts back then when they were both champs.

 

[SpamuraiSensei]

Prime Cain got starched by JDS in the first round. Before that his biggest win was Brock Lesnar. He then proceeds to fight the same two dudes 4 times in a row and then gets outclassed everywhere by Werdum and finished.

Cain had potential, but never reached the point of obtaining the GOAT accolades to go with it. We should judge fighters on what they've actually done, and not what they could have done.

 

[Domitian]

Well according to DC himself, he was never able to beat Cain a round nor rarely if ever take him down. Cain could be a better MMA wrestler as we know on paper wrestling accomplishments doesn't necessarily always translate to MMA.

Cain is also larger than LHW DC. I'm almost certain he takes Jon down or outboxes him for periods. Jones biggest weakness IMO is his actual boxing which Cain can capitilize on.

It's a great fight, but it's probably the best match-up that's why it was talked about ages ago as a 50/50 fight if not Cain being favored by alot of analysts back then when they were both champs.

Cain wasn't a massive HW. His weigh-ins were typically around 240. I'm not trying to suggest Cain wasn't a great fighter because he was, but Jon is a bad match-up. Jon has a 7 inch reach advantage and is faster, and while his boxing isn't the greatest he used kicks very effectively and he would fight dirty. One oblique kick and Cain might even crumble on spot.

 

[johny ringo]

I don't know where I place Cain. Not #1 though. I have prime Werdum still beating any version of Cain

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

Is Cain getting overlooked as the HW MMA Goat? His resume/skill set has been getting wildly underrated.

No other HW in UFC history had his blend of cardio, striking, wrestling, and relentless GnP. In his prime, he was a nightmare for his opponents and if he could have avoided injury, could have been the best to ever do it.

 

[filthybliss]

Cain reached greater heights but Fedor did it for longer

ehhhh, its hard to scale like that. dude fought the same combination of fighters in his prime.

 

[filthybliss]

as fun as cain is to watch. his resume is too thin. a lot of people here are hyping it up to what it could of been instead of what it actually was. you could apply this logic to cody being the goat bantamweight because of his performance against the dominator lmao

 

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

I think we forget, but Stipe also lost to JDS pretty badly. It was a UD, not a flash KO like the one Cain lost with.

Gotta agree with Tom, Prime Cain i think skill for skill is the best HW MMA fighter we've ever seen.

Skill for skill? How about his submission offense?

 

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

Jon wouldn't need the added weight. He could show up at 220 and beat Cain. What takedowns? Prime Olympian DC went like 1-8 trying to take Jon down and got taken down 3 times himself.

Most likely, Jon uses his speed, length, and skill to pick off Cain at range. It would be a unanimous decision for Jones. I think maybe some of you are forgetting just how much of a monster Jon was in 2015.

Monster enough to stay at LHW for years after claiming he was moving up to heavyweight. I haven’t forgotten.

 

[humdizzle]

reminder... this man is 41

 

[felmmando]

Early in his career, the Kongo fight comes to mind. Cain had such a great chin though that it didn't matter that night.

It did matter. If he had kept striking with Kongo, he would have gotten finished. He had to switch strategies.

 

[Striker Fox]

Cain wasn't a massive HW. His weigh-ins were typically around 240. I'm not trying to suggest Cain wasn't a great fighter because he was, but Jon is a bad match-up. Jon has a 7 inch reach advantage and is faster, and while his boxing isn't the greatest he used kicks very effectively and he would fight dirty. One oblique kick and Cain might even crumble on spot.

There're good reasons why Jones chose not to fight Cain when he said he was going to move up as far back as 2012

 

[Striker Fox]

as fun as cain is to watch. his resume is too thin. a lot of people here are hyping it up to what it could of been instead of what it actually was. you could apply this logic to cody being the goat bantamweight because of his performance against the dominator lmao

Beating an all time great like a prime JDS 2x the way he did are greater wins than any other HW in history have accomplished.

 

[orca]

One of my more controversial MMA takes is that, at his peak, Cain Velasquez was the best heavyweight ever. I believe the version of Cain who nearly killed Junior Dos Santos twice could have beaten Fedor, Stipe, Ngannou and Jones.

that version of cain where he fights with blood everywhere

 

[orca]

this. that's his biggest weakness. that's why his offense was so aggro to cover his shitty defense. his idea of head movement was to move his head back and forth like a windshield wiper.

i never got the hype on Cain while people were simultaneously shitting all over Fedor even though he has way more fights and was dominant for way longer facing MANY different styles over the course of his career. even now, people in this thread are acting like he was invincible, saying he'd beat guys like Ngannou and Ubereem in his prime? i think that's crazy, those 2 guys specifically are nightmare matchups for Cain. one guy has the death touch in his fists, immense physical strength, and has a unique ability to find people's chins during scrambles and exchanges, the other guy was an absolute monster in the clinch and the best knees in the history of the HW division. not to mention both are gigantic.

his dominance during his reign was basically fighting 2 guys over and over again that he was accustomed to beating.

the man just abused a prime jds
prime jds was considered the best MMA HW boxer with 1 punch ko power
basicaly prime jds was an upgraded version of nganou
with more stamina and more heart

well if a prime cain can do it on jds
pretty sure he has a big chance to do it to any HW on this planet