International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

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That's shit they're telling is about. Now imagine all the shit they aren't telling us about.

So safe play would be to not send anything at all?
 
So safe play would be to not send anything at all?

Yep.

I am against all foreign aid and I'd slash the military budget by 50% minimum.

Things aren't going to get better until we deal with the elephant in the room - government spending.

All the issues the West faces right now come back to governments getting too big and wasteful and actually standing in the way of the people they are supposed to serve having the lives they deserve.

Taxes are out of control. Spending is out of control. We need reform.

70 years of funding foreign wars hasn't made us any safer or more prosperous as a society. It's just made a few millionaires into multi billionaires and turned the political class into multi-millionaire whores.
 
Nope. I see you have no answers for those questions.

It's been answered ad nauseum in these 15 threads, but since I have nothing to do this sunday morning, let's pretend you're not being intentionally obtuse.

- What the US is sending is old stock, almost obsolete stuff for american standards.
- That hardware that has been stored for years cost a lot to maintain and then decomission. US is probably saving money lending-leasing the weapons away instead of dismantling them in a few years.
- The replacement for the equipment sent to Ukraine is already scheduled and budgeted for. The US armed forces don't settle for anything that isn't cutting edge tech and won't go to war in outdated Bradleys and Abrahams.
- The money spent in those updates and replacements wouldn't be spent in healthcare, civil infrastructure, education, welfare etc. The insane defense budget that US has won't be transfered to better uses just because the chuds didn't like the current commander-in-chief.
- There are things that the US will have to take from current use stockpiles, mostly artillery ammo and AA missiles if I remember correctly. It's still a small price to pay to remain the de facto leader in the western world, geopolitical power has its costs. Show that you can't be relied on in those times of crisis and countries will gravitate outside your sphere of influence in the long run.
- Everything the US government spends in the war, it spends with american companies. Actually this war has been a sinister showcase for the superiority of american military tech and in an increasingly unstable world, equipment purchases are skyrocketing. It's a win-win for the United States. Even if you question the morality of supporting Ukraine, the practical and economical net results are a no-brainer.

I hope that helped.
 
Yep.

I am against all foreign aid and I'd slash the military budget by 50% minimum.

Things aren't going to get better until we deal with the elephant in the room - government spending.

All the issues the West faces right now come back to governments getting too big and wasteful and actually standing in the way of the people they are supposed to serve having the lives they deserve.

Taxes are out of control. Spending is out of control. We need reform.

70 years of funding foreign wars hasn't made us any safer or more prosperous as a society. It's just made a few millionaires into multi billionaires and turned the political class into multi-millionaire whores.
Jesus tap dancing Christ this is dumb, even for you.
 
Wait, people are still using the bullshit "we're sending them old equiptment" narrative still?

Stop funding this war IMMEDITELY.

Arms industry owns Washington so it will never stop. It will be a total fucking waste like every war the US has pushed in the last 75 years. We learn nothing.
 
Wait, people are still using the bullshit "we're sending them old equiptment" narrative still?

Stop funding this war IMMEDITELY.

Arms industry owns Washington so it will never stop. It will be a total fucking waste like every war the US has pushed in the last 75 years. We learn nothing.
Yeah, the US really pushed this war huh?

Idiot.
 
Bit offtopic but don't want to make thread for that.

Is that true that Saudis bought 100 Abram tanks from US. 97 got destroyed within a month and rest remain as an exhibition objects and therefore Saudis cancelled any further orders?
 
Wait, people are still using the bullshit "we're sending them old equiptment" narrative still?

Stop funding this war IMMEDITELY.

Arms industry owns Washington so it will never stop. It will be a total fucking waste like every war the US has pushed in the last 75 years. We learn nothing.
I thought this money are spend domestically. Funding jobs? So that money are not really send abroad are they.

They are being used by Ukraine against Russia so technically by US
 
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