International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

Rholk said:
Yeah, that's the worrying part.
Those words are coming from an adult.
Not some impressionable 12 year old that read some Russian propaganda online, but a grown man.
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Pretty rich coming from a guy who supports Nazis.
 
In U.S some had wrote articles that Japan is Chinesse problem and Hitler is european problem (1938 ) and Japan will not attack U.S (1940 ). Despite Japan was Hitler's ally..
Outcome we had to see.

Even in Denmark in 1938 th some posted that Hitler isn't threat and stuff with Sudettenlad and Austria isn't dangerous thing. Later they get Gestapo and German military installed.

If someone is thinking that axis Iran+ North Korea + Russia + Belarus isn't threat then....0 comments.
 
Nameless King said:
I thought this money are spend domestically. Funding jobs? So that money are not really send abroad are they.

They are being used by Ukraine against Russia so technically by US
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Here's a breakdown. I'm not so sure that this encompasses everything because we've sent over much more than this by now.

Humanitarian
$1.6 billion (2%)
Emergency food assistance, health care, refugee support, and other humanitarian aid

Financial
$26.4 billion (35%)
Budgetary aid through the Economic Support Fund, loans, and other financial support

Security assistance
$18.3 billion (25%)
Training, equipment, weapons, logistics support, and other assistance provided through the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative

Weapons and equipment
$23.5 billion (32%)
Weapons and equipment from Defense Department stocks, provided through presidential drawdowns

Grants and loans for weapons and equipment
$4.5 billion (6%)
Grants and loans provided through the Foreign Military Financing program

www.cfr.org

How Much Aid Has the U.S. Sent Ukraine? Here Are Six Charts.

Six charts illustrate the extraordinary level of support the United States has provided Ukraine in its war against Russian invaders.
www.cfr.org www.cfr.org
 
Orgasmo said:
I think you're severely overestimating the ability of Murica to change the finality of the outcome. Ukrainian will be able to last another 6 to 9 months in the Donbass region and will inflict heavier casualties on the Russians a result of this package. Ukraine is still headed for a defeat in 2025. The timeline has merely been pushed back.

Also, Murica did not come through for South Vietnam and Afghanistan. Your track record is mixed at best.
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The US have had more wins then losses because they learn an evolve. Afghanistan because we where in Iraq an people questioned our involvement. Ask how Afghanistan went for the Russians? This little thing called the stinger turned Paropamisus and the Hindu Kush into death valley for Russian helicopters. Everything the defense department doing is lessons on how to handle Russia.
 
PEB said:
The US have had more wins then losses because they learn an evolve. Afghanistan because we where in Iraq an people questioned our involvement. Ask how Afghanistan went for the Russians? This little thing called the stinger turned Paropamisus and the Hindu Kush into death valley for Russian helicopters. Everything the defense department doing is lessons on how to handle Russia.
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Ukraine will still lose by middle of 2025 even with the aid package counting. You severely overestimate your ability to change the final outcome.
 
Snubnoze707 said:
Well yeah, they kind of did, but setting aside aspects that led to the invasion - this war is over without US funding almost instantly. So yes, they are pushing it.

Idiot.
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Yeah quickly, brush it aside.

So all that matters is that the war is over?
Whatever occupation comes of it is irrelevant.
We shouldn't have supported the Soviets either. WW2 would have been over much quicker.
Perhaps we should encourage Israel to nuke Gaza aswell, would be the quickest way to end the war, anything short of that is the US pushing for war.
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Rholk said:
Yeah quickly, brush it aside.

So all that matters is that the war is over?
Whatever occupation comes of it is irrelevant.
We shouldn't have supported the Soviets either. WW2 would have been over much quicker.
Perhaps we should encourage Israel to nuke Gaza aswell, would be the quickest way to end the war, anything short of that is the US pushing for war.
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I won't bother addressing these retarded comparisons and false analogies.

Had Ukraine stayed within the Russian sphere they would be in a substantially better position right now, instead they got conned by the west and now their country is getting wrecked and they're killing off all of their men in a winless quagmire. Way to go, bozos. If they accepted Putin's terms by allowing the Donbas some sovereignty they wouldn't be wrecked. If they didn't allow the west to sabotage multiple peace resolutions they would be alright. Keeping this war going has only made things worse for them. They aren't fighting for their freedom, they're fighting for a money laundering scheme to continue. Ukraine isn't sovereign. It's only gotten more corrupt since they let the west take over and they have nothing to show for it.
 
Snubnoze707 said:
I won't bother addressing these retarded comparisons and false analogies.

Had Ukraine stayed within the Russian sphere they would be in a substantially better position right now, instead they got conned by the west and now their country is getting wrecked and they're killing off all of their men in a winless quagmire. Way to go, bozos. If they accepted Putin's terms by allowing the Donbas some sovereignty they wouldn't be wrecked. If they didn't allow the west to sabotage multiple peace resolutions they would be alright. Keeping this war going has only made things worse for them. They aren't fighting for their freedom, they're fighting for a money laundering scheme to continue. Ukraine isn't sovereign. It's only gotten more corrupt since they let the west take over and they have nothing to show for it.
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The West is not responsible for Russia taking over Crimea in 2014.
 
Orgasmo said:
Ukraine will still lose by middle of 2025 even with the aid package counting. You severely overestimate your ability to change the final outcome.
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What's this actually based on though?

I notice you've said this a few times, is that just based on how you feel?

I haven't read many experts out there that think Russia can land any sort of KO blow on Ukraine any time soon.
 
Siver! said:
What's this actually based on though?

I notice you've said this a few times, is that just based on how you feel?

I haven't read many experts out there that think Russia can land any sort of KO blow on Ukraine any time soon.
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Because he doesn't care about the actual issue or its consequences. It's just a sort of virtue signal to posture being right (hence the goalpost moving)
 
Ruthless Ryan said:
Just imagine If Hitler could of had the support of lads like him what he could have accomplished.
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Some people just refuse to learn from history.
 
Strychnine said:
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Some people just refuse to learn from history.
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The "he has not attacked us, why attack him" logic is so base-level bogus it's kinda surreal.

Your neighbour gets hacked to pieces with a hatchet, but there's no real need for any form of justice or retaliation from society: because the people that would inflict justice or retaliate were, by necessity, not themselves hacked to pieces with a hatchet.

I honestly think 3 year old children would be able to see how that just doesn't work.
 
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