International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

[avenue94]

It doesn't take nukes to realize if you let these crazy religious zealots suddenly have access to neighbors who hate Isreal that they will be much more dangerous once they have better than their welfare quality rockets

OK, so be specific. What weapons would they import? There are not a lot of conventional weapons in existence that can be classified as an "existential threat" to entire countries?

 

[goldennirvana]

So, special that they made up less than 10% of the people their prior to the creation of Israel but because their religion holds the region as special, they deserve the land over the other 90% there?

You obviously have no knowledge of Jewish history.

 

[Yehudim]

And? Arabs are not 'natives' there. They come from Arabia, which is not in that region. Jews have the best claim to being 'natives', although even they conquered it from the Canaanites. Land belongs to whoever can defend it. If you can't, you're gonna lose it fast. And the fact is, Jews have a special connection to that land which predates any connection Arabs have to it.

Yeah dude and Mexicans aren’t native to Mexico because they are Latinos and the Latins are native to the Europe.

Behold: Carlos, the Catholic, Spanish conqueror.

 

[goldennirvana]

Yeah dude and Mexicans aren’t native to Mexico because they are Latinos and the Latins are native to the Europe.

Behold: Carlos, the Catholic, Spanish conqueror.

False equivalence.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

There are no "native" people of that land.

Okay then lets start off with this question. Who was there first the Palestinians or the current Jews who came from Europe?

 

[Yehudim]

False equivalence.

No. DNA testing has proven that modern Jews and Palestinians share ancestry.

The Arabian peninsula today is sparsely populated. They never “replaced” the people, they replaced the culture. You just have trouble recognizing that fact because Palestinians sort of look like what you think an Arab is.

Latin America is just a great extreme because it is so self evident that replacing a culture does not mean replacing a race.

If you look closely at Arabs from Syria and Palestine, you will see that they are different from Arabs from Saudi Arabia.

 

[goldennirvana]

Okay then lets start off with this question. Who was there first the Palestinians or the current Jews who came from Europe?

Those "Jews who came from Europe" originally came from what you call 'Palestine'. So, to answer your question: Jews. Jews never entirely left that land (Israel). They've been there, in some form or another, for the last 3,000 years. I know people like you only like to focus on the whitest-looking Jews, to try to make your piss-weak point that the Jews in Israel now are just a bunch of white people who 'stole' the land from 'brown people', but the reality is very different. You of course totally overlook the Mizrahi & Yemeni Jews. We both know the reason for that.

 

[goldennirvana]

No. DNA testing has proven that modern Jews and Palestinians share ancestry.

The Arabian peninsula today is sparsely populated. They never “replaced” the people, they replaced the culture. You just have trouble recognizing that fact because Palestinians sort of look like what you think an Arab is.

Latin America is just a great extreme because it is so self evident that replacing a culture does not mean replacing a race.

If you look closely at Arabs from Syria and Palestine, you will see that they are different from Arabs from Saudi Arabia.

It was a false equivalence and you made yourself look like a moron.

That land has been invaded so many times, it's a stupid argument. The fact is, Jews have been there before there was even such a thing as an 'Arab'.

Imagine thinking "share ancestry" means anything. LOL

What even is a 'Palestinian'? There isn't even a Palestinian language.

 

[Halifax]

OK, so be specific. What weapons would they import? There are not a lot of conventional weapons in existence that can be classified as an "existential threat" to entire countries?

Specific?

Ok. If you grant them their own state and control of everything on their side, does that include ability to raise and train an army? An actual army, not the scattered cells of fighters with bargain basement weapons. Do they have sovereign right to invite friends over for "protection "? Like say, Iranian military?

 

[Gluteus Swag]

Okay then lets start off with this question. Who was there first the Palestinians or the current Jews who came from Europe?

They didn't "come from Europe". They were temporarily forced into Europe because they were being subjugated in their previous homeland.

It's similar to if Native Americans had to flee to Asia because of being subjugated in North America. Do they lose their native status because their homeland temporarily became too hostile for them to live in? If they were to later return to North America do they suddenly become colonialists?

Trying to fit Israel into a White-POC settler colonial narrative is BS. Jews are one of the most oppressed people to ever exist. They were almost exterminated 75 years ago. They have as much a legitimate claim to Israel as any other group of people.

 

[Yehudim]

It was a false equivalence and you made yourself look like a moron.

That land has been invaded so many times, it's a stupid argument. The fact is, Jews have been there before there was even such a thing as an 'Arab'.

Imagine thinking "share ancestry" means anything. LOL

What even is a 'Palestinian'? There isn't even a Palestinian language.

It isn't a false equivalency. Cultures change, people invade, but the genetics are largely similar, since it is pretty difficult to entirely replace a people.

It is retarded to give someone claim to a land because a distant ancestor originated in one land but lived in another for the last 1000+ years, over someone who actually lived and stayed in that land but gradually assimilated to a different culture.

 

[avenue94]

If you grant them their own state and control of everything on their side, does that include ability to raise and train an army?

If you make something a sovereign state, then yes, they have the ability on paper to raise an army.

Do they have sovereign right to invite friends over for "protection "? Like say, Iranian military?

Yup, same answer as the former, a sovereign state would have the ability to invite foreigners within their borders.

So...where's this existential threat you are so worried about?

 

[goldennirvana]

It isn't a false equivalency. Cultures change, people invade, but the genetics are largely similar, since it is pretty difficult to entirely replace a people.

Okay then. So you admit the Jews in Israel today are the rightful owners of that land.

It is retarded to give someone claim to a land because a distant ancestor originated in one land but lived in another for the last 1000+ years, over someone who actually lived and stayed in that land but gradually assimilated to a different culture.

Not really. The Jews never entirely left that land - this is a point you seem to want to ignore. They've been there in some form or another for the past 3,000 years. They're just there in larger numbers now.

 

[Yehudim]

They didn't "come from Europe". They were temporarily forced into Europe because they were being subjugated in their previous homeland.

It's similar to if Native Americans had to flee to Asia because of being subjugated in North America. Do they lose their native status because their homeland temporarily became too hostile for them to live in? If they were to later return to North America do they suddenly become colonialists?

Trying to fit Israel into a White-POC settler colonial narrative is BS. Jews are one of the most oppressed people to ever exist. They were almost exterminated 75 years ago. They have as much a legitimate claim to Israel as any other group of people.

A better narrative would be that one Native American tribe among many was forced off their land, (Ancient Israel was not an ethno-state with controlled borders) lived in Asia for 1000+ years, then came back and displaced those Native Americans that were either always there or who had settled the land for the last 1000+ years since you were gone.

Before and after the existence of the Jews as a distinct people emerged, other natives peoples were living in Ancient Israel and/or Canaan. The Jews never really got rid of the Canaanites. The Jews were the Canaanites.

People are seriously trying to link claims of land off of the literal Jewish propaganda piece known as the Bible. Both Islam and Judaism are self-serving texts and we have shit like archaeology and DNA testing to see who really belongs where.

 

[Yehudim]

Okay then. So you admit the Jews in Israel today are the rightful owners of that land.



Not really. The Jews never entirely left that land - this is a point you seem to want to ignore. They've been there in some form or another for the past 3,000 years. They're just there in larger numbers now.

The vast majority of Jews in Israel today are descended from 1948 and onwards. Obviously no one is trying to diminish the legitimacy of Jews who have lived in Israel for 100 or 3000 years.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

Those "Jews who came from Europe" originally came from what you call 'Palestine'. So, to answer your question: Jews. Jews never entirely left that land (Israel). They've been there, in some form or another, for the last 3,000 years. I know people like you only like to focus on the whitest-looking Jews, to try to make your piss-weak point that the Jews in Israel now are just a bunch of white people who 'stole' the land from 'brown people', but the reality is very different. You of course totally overlook the Mizrahi & Yemeni Jews. We both know the reason for that.

The same Yemeni jews who were treated as similarily indentured servants by the European Jews in the building of Israel? This also ignores the fact that Jewish people that left to other parts of Arabia or were native to other parts of Arabia before they converted to Judaism don't have a claim to Palestinian land.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

They didn't "come from Europe". They were temporarily forced into Europe because they were being subjugated in their previous homeland.

It's similar to if Native Americans had to flee to Asia because of being subjugated in North America. Do they lose their native status because their homeland temporarily became too hostile for them to live in? If they were to later return to North America do they suddenly become colonialists?

Trying to fit Israel into a White-POC settler colonial narrative is BS. Jews are one of the most oppressed people to ever exist. They were almost exterminated 75 years ago. They have as much a legitimate claim to Israel as any other group of people.

"Temporarily" forced into Europe to point that Ashkenazi jews are unlikely to have any Maternal Middle Eastern DNA? Or that fact that many of them had left the Palestine area over 2500 years.

 

[b-hop]

So over the past couple decades israel kills 1000 non-jews for every jew that is killed but yeah, israel need sour support ...to what kill more non-jews?

You present the 'poor ww2 holocaust' survivor story to present day israeli jews, when if nfact juews are no longer the victims.

Jews are the ones doing the killing now.

I udnerstand jewish culture relies on being the victim though, so oh well.

Wow did u get that math? Can i know your data?
I didnt say they were victims, i said they would be, without having our support and better technology and Mossad.

Because u know, is surrounded by nations that hate them, and terrorists groups.

 

[b-hop]

It was a false equivalence and you made yourself look like a moron.

That land has been invaded so many times, it's a stupid argument. The fact is, Jews have been there before there was even such a thing as an 'Arab'.

Imagine thinking "share ancestry" means anything. LOL

What even is a 'Palestinian'? There isn't even a Palestinian language.

Irish and English share a common ancestry, therefore the english should rule Ireland, regardless if the Irish were ancestors of that land before them.

Ah the things, that one learns in Sherdog.

 

[DrunkZombie]

Don't you love it when Hamas lobs rockets into Israel and plays the victim right afterwards? Also you have to give it up to Israel. They mind fucked Palestinian terrorists on social media into thinking they were sending in infantry and tanks, then they bombarded all the fighting positions with indirect fire and literally buried a bunch of fuckwads alive. LOL.

GET FUCKED former Roman province Palestine.