Are DWCS Fighters the Monkees of MMA?

Ricky Turcios
Jamie Pickett
Sean O'Malley
Casey Kenney
Ryan Spann
Geoff Neal
Alonzo Menifield
Dan Ige
Julian Maquez
Phil Hawes
Kyler Phillips
Carlos Candelario
Brandon Davis
John Castaneda
Julio Arce
Alex Perez
Ricky Simon
Grant Dawson
Kennedy Nzechukwu
Benito Lopez
Steven Peterson
JP Buys
Matt Frevola
Don'Tale Mayes
Chris Curtis
Montell Jackson
Kevin Holland
Anthony Hernandez
Jordan Wright
Antonina Shevchenko
Josh Parisian
Julian Erosa
Jamall Emmers
Kevin Aguillar(?)
Jalin Turner
Maycee Barber
Vince Morales
Edmen Shahbazyan
Jimmy Crute
Sodiq Yussuf
Mike Davis
Chase Hooper
Ian Heinisch
Mayra Bueno Silva
Augusto Sakai
Taila Santos
Johnny Walker
Andre Muniz
Marina Rodriguez
Maria Oliveira
Raulian Paiva
Allan Nascimento
Luana Carolina
Thiago Moises
Punahele Soriano
Hannah Goldy
Bill Algeo
Kyle Daukaus
Miles Johns
Miguel Baeza
Joe Solecki
Jonathan Pearce
Ode Osbourne
Brendan Allen
Sean Woodson
Terrance McKinney
Jamahal Hill
Billy Quarantillo
Kamuela Kirk
Aleksa Camur
Tracy Cortez
Daniel Rodriguez
Rodrigo Nascimento
Omar Morales
Herbet Burns
Derrick Minner
Jay Perrin
William Knight
Shanna Young
Tony Gravely
Philip Rowe
Jamal Pogues
Steve Garcia
Dusko Todorovic
TJ Brown
Dustin Jacoby*
Uros Medic
Jordan Leavitt
Dustin Stoltzfus
Joseph Pyfer
Adrian Yanez
Cory McKenna
Vanessa Demopoulos
Louis Cosce
Cheyanne Vlismas
Orion Cosce
Rafael Alves
Jeff Molina
Mike Breeden
Melsik Baghdasaryan
Jimmy Flick
Ronnie Lawrence
Jose Johnson
Cody Brundage
Tucker Lutz
Tafon Nchukwi
Mana Martinez
Aliaskhab Khizriev
Gregory Rodrigues
Danyelle Wolff
Carlos Ulberg
Ignacio Bahamondes
Luis Saldana
Jared Vanderaa
Harry Hunsucker
Natan Levy
Nikolas Motta
Luana Pinheiro
Nick Maximov
Victoria Leonardo
Azamat Murzakanov
Joanderson Brito
Victor Altamirano
AJ Fletcher
Josh Quinlan
Chidi Njokuani
Saimon Oliveira
CJ Vergara
Chad Anheliger
Jailton Almeida
Albert Duraev
Lukasz Brzeski
Jack Della Maddalena
Ange Loosa
Jasmine Jasudavicius
AJ Dobson
Michael Morales
Kleydson Rodrigues
Victor Martinez**
Ihor Potieria
Caio Borralho
Daniel Zellhuber
Lucas Almeida
Mike Mallot
Carlos Hernandez
Fernie Garcia
Joseph Holmes
Genaro Valdez
Christian Rodriguez
Martin Buday
Jake Hadley
Viacheslav Borshchev
Chris Duncan
Jonny Parsons
Piera Rodriguez
Armen Petrosyan
Gadzhi Omargadzhiev
Cristian Quiñonez
Javid Basharat
Karine Silva
Manuel Torres
Maheshate
Yohan Lainesse

That's alot of monkees
 
You can’t fabricate talent like the Partridge Family in sports. Either you’re the real deal or you aren’t. That will quickly become apparent in the actual UFC.

It’s more like a “search for the Stars”. Just bringing these new people to the attention of a bigger audience.
 
Eiger said:
Ricky Turcios
Jamie Pickett
Sean O'Malley
Casey Kenney
Ryan Spann
Geoff Neal
Alonzo Menifield
Dan Ige
Julian Maquez
Phil Hawes
Kyler Phillips
Carlos Candelario
Brandon Davis
John Castaneda
Julio Arce
Alex Perez
Ricky Simon
Grant Dawson
Kennedy Nzechukwu
Benito Lopez
Steven Peterson
JP Buys
Matt Frevola
Don'Tale Mayes
Chris Curtis
Montell Jackson
Kevin Holland
Anthony Hernandez
Jordan Wright
Antonina Shevchenko
Josh Parisian
Julian Erosa
Jamall Emmers
Kevin Aguillar(?)
Jalin Turner
Maycee Barber
Vince Morales
Edmen Shahbazyan
Jimmy Crute
Sodiq Yussuf
Mike Davis
Chase Hooper
Ian Heinisch
Mayra Bueno Silva
Augusto Sakai
Taila Santos
Johnny Walker
Andre Muniz
Marina Rodriguez
Maria Oliveira
Raulian Paiva
Allan Nascimento
Luana Carolina
Thiago Moises
Punahele Soriano
Hannah Goldy
Bill Algeo
Kyle Daukaus
Miles Johns
Miguel Baeza
Joe Solecki
Jonathan Pearce
Ode Osbourne
Brendan Allen
Sean Woodson
Terrance McKinney
Jamahal Hill
Billy Quarantillo
Kamuela Kirk
Aleksa Camur
Tracy Cortez
Daniel Rodriguez
Rodrigo Nascimento
Omar Morales
Herbet Burns
Derrick Minner
Jay Perrin
William Knight
Shanna Young
Tony Gravely
Philip Rowe
Jamal Pogues
Steve Garcia
Dusko Todorovic
TJ Brown
Dustin Jacoby*
Uros Medic
Jordan Leavitt
Dustin Stoltzfus
Joseph Pyfer
Adrian Yanez
Cory McKenna
Vanessa Demopoulos
Louis Cosce
Cheyanne Vlismas
Orion Cosce
Rafael Alves
Jeff Molina
Mike Breeden
Melsik Baghdasaryan
Jimmy Flick
Ronnie Lawrence
Jose Johnson
Cody Brundage
Tucker Lutz
Tafon Nchukwi
Mana Martinez
Aliaskhab Khizriev
Gregory Rodrigues
Danyelle Wolff
Carlos Ulberg
Ignacio Bahamondes
Luis Saldana
Jared Vanderaa
Harry Hunsucker
Natan Levy
Nikolas Motta
Luana Pinheiro
Nick Maximov
Victoria Leonardo
Azamat Murzakanov
Joanderson Brito
Victor Altamirano
AJ Fletcher
Josh Quinlan
Chidi Njokuani
Saimon Oliveira
CJ Vergara
Chad Anheliger
Jailton Almeida
Albert Duraev
Lukasz Brzeski
Jack Della Maddalena
Ange Loosa
Jasmine Jasudavicius
AJ Dobson
Michael Morales
Kleydson Rodrigues
Victor Martinez**
Ihor Potieria
Caio Borralho
Daniel Zellhuber
Lucas Almeida
Mike Mallot
Carlos Hernandez
Fernie Garcia
Joseph Holmes
Genaro Valdez
Christian Rodriguez
Martin Buday
Jake Hadley
Viacheslav Borshchev
Chris Duncan
Jonny Parsons
Piera Rodriguez
Armen Petrosyan
Gadzhi Omargadzhiev
Cristian Quiñonez
Javid Basharat
Karine Silva
Manuel Torres
Maheshate
Yohan Lainesse

That's alot of monkees
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I didn't read your entire list but Ricky Turcios is a TUF alum, not a DWCS guy
 
TempleoftheDog said:
You can’t fabricate talent like the Partridge Family in sports. Either you’re the real deal or you aren’t. That will quickly become apparent in the actual UFC.

It’s more like a “search for the Stars”. Just bringing these new people to the attention of a bigger audience.
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UFC produces DWCS to put Dana on a pedestal and elevate the profile of these fighters who don't have to necessarily fight smart to win -- just ultra-aggressive against other low level fighters. It is a violent interview for a job.

That is fabricating "talent" to look more legit than it is. It doesn't mean they lack basic skills, because he is drawing from trained fighters.

The Monkees played instruments and sang -- and had #1 hits -- but they don't appear to get the same respect as others who came up differently?

When you hear them announce a fighter is from DWCS -- those fighters give me the same vibe as Replacement Player during strikes who get a chance to make the Regular Team. Which makes it more fun to watch in some cases.
 
Oscar Madison said:
UFC produces DWCS to put Dana on a pedestal and elevate the profile of these fighters who don't have to necessarily fight smart to win -- just ultra-aggressive against other low level fighters. It is a violent interview for a job.

That is fabricating "talent" to look more legit than it is. It doesn't mean they lack basic skills, because he is drawing from trained fighters.

The Monkees played instruments and sang -- and had #1 hits -- but they don't appear to get the same respect as others who came up differently?

When you hear them announce a fighter is from DWCS -- those fighters give me the same vibe as Replacement Player during strikes who get a chance to make the Regular Team. Which makes it more fun to watch in some cases.
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Rubbish.
 
WaylonMercy5150 said:
this is how the business works. you find young talent, give them a fair fight on tv, if they win convincingly you sign them and now you have a new talent to play with. watch how dana books bo nickal, look how he booked omalley and walker. it is really smart and helps create stars even if you are fronting on their actual talent. i love dwcs.
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Filling up the ufc roster with a bunch of star struck fighters that will be underpaid and should be on the regional but because they are in the UFC the shills will spout out their mouths that they are the pinnacle of fighters on the planet.
 
TempleoftheDog said:
Rubbish.
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Not rubbish. Pretty spot.
DWCS is a way to control and promote the talent.

A boring wrestler might be 18-4 and goes on the DWCS and wins his fight but doesn't get signed because he's boring and didn't go for it.
But some joker that's 3-0, has no existent fight IQ but is aggressive and fights like he's playing rock em sock em robots against another similarly low level fighter will get signed because he went for the kill.

They are trying to control the talent.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
Filling up the ufc roster with a bunch of star struck fighters that will be underpaid and should be on the regional but because they are in the UFC the shills will spout out their mouths that they are the pinnacle of fighters on the planet.
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nobody is saying they are the pinnacle of fighters but they get a good push and a good amount of tv time and get their name out well. in the business side that is very smart. this is not my personal opinion just pointing out the smart booking.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
Not rubbish. Pretty spot.
DWCS is a way to control and promote the talent.

A boring wrestler might be 18-4 and goes on the DWCS and wins his fight but doesn't get signed because he's boring and didn't go for it.
But some joker that's 3-0, has no existent fight IQ but is aggressive and fights like he's playing rock em sock em robots against another similarly low level fighter will get signed because he went for the kill.

They are trying to control the talent.
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You can’t “fabricate” talent in sports like you can with music. This isn’t Milli Vanilli.

And tying it all together.. I call out Shania Twain for lip syncing at the 2002 Grey Cup Game halftime show. She was bouncing all over the stage in sub-zero celsius weather, and her vocal track remained even throughout the performance. But she was huffin and puffin talking in between songs.

Some things you can fake. Some things you can’t. And it’s not my problem if you don’t know that.
 
WaylonMercy5150 said:
nobody is saying they are the pinnacle of fighters but they get a good push and a good amount of tv time and get their name out well. in the business side that is very smart. this is not my personal opinion just pointing out the smart booking.
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Just because something is good for the UFC doesn't mean it's good for mma.
It's been well documented that the UFC would rather have less skilled but more entertaining fighters on their roster. That's because the average UFC fan isn't a mma fan. They are fight fans. They want to see car wrecks. The UFC wants to make money so they will manipulate their business to make as much money as possible.

Jake Shields
Okami
Fitch
DJ
Jarrod Rosholt (was 3-1 in the ufc HW division before the ufc decline to resign him because he was boring)

The TV and push is just the UFC'S PR machine that can make any fighter look unstoppable. The UFC doesn't need the best fighters on their roster because the ufc knows whomever the promote as the best the non-knowledgeable public will eat it up and shill for the UFC.
 
TempleoftheDog said:
You can’t “fabricate” talent in sports like you can with music. This isn’t Milli Vanilli.

And tying it all together.. I call out Shania Twain for lip syncing at the 2002 Grey Cup Game halftime show. She was bouncing all over the stage in sub-zero celsius weather, and her vocal track remained even throughout the performance. But she was huffin and puffin talking in between songs.

Some things you can fake. Some things you can’t. And it’s not my problem if you don’t know that.
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You can easily fake talent.

If I'm the UFC I can take 2 bums and use my reputation as having the best fighters in the world and promote their fight as between 2 of the world's best when really they are really regional level.

We see this more in wmma when we're forced to watch to soccer moms that have no business make thousands of dollars to put on horrible performances but still they are touted as the best in the world.
 
Yes, it's exactly like the monkees if they were on network tv every week and all over the radio from coast to coast, otherwise no, it's nothing like the monkees, it's like a high school talent show.
 
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