International Biden Admin takes next step toward WWIII - Blinken "Ukraine will become a member of NATO"

[Sinister]

no, ukrainians made their decision when they elected yanukovych as president.

now just cause he didn't wanna be western puppet and wanted to preserve good relations with russia doesn't mean mean western opposition gets to remove him from power in a coup

What a gross mischaracterization. Yeah the Ukranians were just sitting idly twirling their thumb in complete contentment with Yanukovych, its not like there wasn't massive civil unrest leading up to the Maidan Revolution, on the back of killing of Civilians during the Euromaidan protests. Its not like Yanukovych was essentially ignoring the will of the people and the Parliament in refusing to sign the EU treaty, and was also passing repressive anti-protest laws, giving the Country the feel of dictatorship, with Yanukovych asking Russia to help suppress the rebellion. Clearly NO demonstration of Russian influence in Ukrainian Governance, which Ukranians expressly do NOT want. No, this is squarely the fault of "the West"...lol

 

[Siver!]

Bio labs? Coup? What kind of fan fiction are you making up?

Ukranians wanted to have better trade relations with actual developed countries. Yanukovych enjoyed the corruption kickbacks he received from Russia too much to let that happened and wanted to trade with the backwards country which would keep Ukraine from developing even though the parliament (voted in by the people) approved the agreement with the EU.

So the people protested and got the change they wanted. The elected parliament voted the president out. That's not a coup. That's the same as America impeaching and then removing a president. It's part of the system to protect from a corrupt leader. Putin only started calling it a coup in 2021 to make up justification for trying to get the USSR back together. It's not like Russia was calling it a coup when it happened.

No idea what kind of fantasy land communist loving garbage you're reading to think there's biolabs in Ukraine lol.

I read that the definition of biolab that was getting thrown around at the start of the conflict included vaccine research and the like. Normal stuff.

Retarded right wing media tried to pretend these were biological weapons labs by conveniently misquoting, misdirecting, and misleading the dunces that watch Tucker Carlson and listen to Tulsi Gabbard.

 

[nixkid]

you mean ukraine staying neutral, russians in ukraine not getting discriminated against and no nato expansion?

so unreasonable...

How can you force a country to be neutral? Neutrality is a choice. Even if they aren't allowed to join NATO or EU, that doesn't mean they will be neutral. They can still favor the West. Unless you want to strip them of their sovereignty and their ability to govern themselves.

Putin cares about Russians in Ukraine? He cares so much that he forcefully conscripted them into the Russian military and used them as meat shields on the frontline. But, hey, at least they didn't have to read Ukrainian on a government form. That's the real injustice.

Was Putin asleep when NATO expanded on his border last year? Someone should let him know since he's fighting a war to prevent that sort of thing.

The war is about Crimea and naval dominance of the black sea. Not about Nazis, not about Russians in Ukraine, not about NATO.

 

[Rod1]

you mean ukraine staying neutral, russians in ukraine not getting discriminated against and no nato expansion?

so unreasonable...

Hard to stay neutral when they are invading you.

 

[Rod1]

This is such an absolutely wacky response.

Putin wants Ukraine to not be in nato.

Ukraine would never be in NATO if Russia had never invaded in the first place.

How is Ukraine being in nato, giving Russia what they want, when what they want is for Ukraine to not be in nato? What?

Russia wants to take over Ukraine and rule it as a vassal state.

 

[Rod1]

You realize Russia is not communist right?

Dude, you don't have any idea what has been going on in Ukraine for the last 10 - 15 years. You are like a blind man that thinks he can see.

Russia isn't communist because they collapsed, just like China, they just abandoned the command economy but kept everything else in place.

Russia also supports every single communist regime out there, like Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea.

That's why commies all over the world love Russia.

 

[Rod1]

Lol. This is literally the justification. Man you are a loon.

Fucking hippie.

Keep believing that the US disarming will lead to world peace.

 

[Rod1]

I disagree, we need to beat them in WWIII to have longlasting peace. That surely is the only sensible way.

If Russia wants to end the world because they lost a foreign war, then they were going to eventually nuke the world.

The US had

-Stalemate in Korea
-Lost Vietnam
-Lost Afghanistan
-Lost Iraq

Still they didn't nuked the world over because of it.

And Vietnam had massive Soviet support to a degree that Ukraine has not had from the West.

 

[Rod1]

Lol, yeah, it's wasn't a coup, it was a mostly peaceful protest with 121 deaths and like 2,000. Is it even an insurrection if there are no midwestern grannies with selfie sticks?

A little weird that "dick pics" are what grab your attention, but it's not disputed by anybody that the Bidens made millions in corrupt foreign countries, and Joe Biden is on video saying the US won't give them $1 billion unless they fire prosecutors.

Hunter Biden's hard drive shows he, his firm earned about $11 million from 2013 to 2018

The hard drive and documents from Senate Republicans indicate few of Biden’s deals ever came to fruition and shed light on how fast he was spending his money.

www.nbcnews.com

Biden made $5.8 million, more than half his total earnings from 2013 to 2018, from two deals with Chinese business interests.

From 2013 through 2018 Hunter Biden and his company brought in about $11 million via his roles as an attorney and a board member with a Ukrainian firm accused of bribery and his work with a Chinese businessman now accused of fraud, according to an NBC News analysis of a copy of Biden’s hard drive and iCloud account and documents released by Republicans on two Senate committees.

The documents and the analysis, which don’t show what he did to earn millions from his Chinese partners, raise questions about national security, business ethics and potential legal exposure. In December 2020, Biden acknowledged in a statement that he was the subject of a federal investigation into his taxes. NBC News was first to report that an ex-business partner had warned Biden he should amend his tax returns to disclose $400,000 in income from the Ukrainian firm, Burisma.

We are talking about Joe Biden, not Hunter.

Also Ukraine has had several elections since 2014, so even if we argue that 2014 was a coup, the government in power is still democratic.

 

[Rod1]

Or Cuba?

It’s like know one remembers history

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Weird, i thought for a few seconds that i was drawn into an alternate reality where the USA went to war with Cuba in order to take down Castro and steal a big chunk of land.

 

[Scerpi]

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Weird, i thought for a few seconds that i was drawn into an alternate reality where the USA went to war with Cuba in order to take down Castro and steal a big chunk of land.

Hahahahaha... Dumbass

Way to forget one of the most critical moments of the Cold War

Forget or Ignore... whatever

 

[Rod1]

Hahahahaha... Dumbass

Way to forget one of the most critical moments of the Cold War

Forget or Ignore... whatever

*checks google again*

Ok, last time i checked Ukraine was not in NATO and did not have nukes.

 

[Rod1]

Hahahahaha... Dumbass

Way to forget one of the most critical moments of the Cold War

Forget or Ignore... whatever

When you draw stupid analogies anything can fit, but then again its my experience that anti-West trolls and logic are like water and oil.

 

[irish_thug]

Ukraine would never be in NATO if Russia had never invaded in the first place.


Russia wants to take over Ukraine and rule it as a vassal state.

Their military strength was one of the sticking points. Ironic.

 

[irish_thug]

Bio labs? Coup? What kind of fan fiction are you making up?

Ukranians wanted to have better trade relations with actual developed countries. Yanukovych enjoyed the corruption kickbacks he received from Russia too much to let that happened and wanted to trade with the backwards country which would keep Ukraine from developing even though the parliament (voted in by the people) approved the agreement with the EU.

So the people protested and got the change they wanted. The elected parliament voted the president out. That's not a coup. That's the same as America impeaching and then removing a president. It's part of the system to protect from a corrupt leader. Putin only started calling it a coup in 2021 to make up justification for trying to get the USSR back together. It's not like Russia was calling it a coup when it happened.

No idea what kind of fantasy land communist loving garbage you're reading to think there's biolabs in Ukraine lol.

You are arguing with a flat earther. FYI

 

[Fox by the Sea]

they're not getting invited to no NATO anytime soon. these are just words of encouragement which are free.

 

[grimballer]

Hard to stay neutral when they are invading you.

they wouldn't be "invading" you if you stayed neutral and respected agreements you sign

 

[HockeyBjj]

You are arguing with a flat earther. FYI

Oh shit. For real?

Damn. It’s the pig wrestling in the mud joke where I realize too late he just enjoys arguing stupid points

 

[grimballer]

How can you force a country to be neutral? Neutrality is a choice. Even if they aren't allowed to join NATO or EU, that doesn't mean they will be neutral. They can still favor the West. Unless you want to strip them of their sovereignty and their ability to govern themselves.

Putin cares about Russians in Ukraine? He cares so much that he forcefully conscripted them into the Russian military and used them as meat shields on the frontline. But, hey, at least they didn't have to read Ukrainian on a government form. That's the real injustice.

Was Putin asleep when NATO expanded on his border last year? Someone should let him know since he's fighting a war to prevent that sort of thing.

The war is about Crimea and naval dominance of the black sea. Not about Nazis, not about Russians in Ukraine, not about NATO.

well ukrainians made their choice when they elected yanukovych, but since that choice wasn't popular inthe west he was removed in a western backed coup. so much for "their sovereignty and ability to govern themselves"

also russians should just accept being discriminated against and do nothing about it?

being 2nd class citizen is not so bad after all..

 

[grimballer]

What a gross mischaracterization. Yeah the Ukranians were just sitting idly twirling their thumb in complete contentment with Yanukovych, its not like there wasn't massive civil unrest leading up to the Maidan Revolution, on the back of killing of Civilians during the Euromaidan protests. Its not like Yanukovych was essentially ignoring the will of the people and the Parliament in refusing to sign the EU treaty, and was also passing repressive anti-protest laws, giving the Country the feel of dictatorship, with Yanukovych asking Russia to help suppress the rebellion. Clearly NO demonstration of Russian influence in Ukrainian Governance, which Ukranians expressly do NOT want. No, this is squarely the fault of "the West"...lol

yeah, democratically elected president shouldn't be making decision. its up to western backed opposition that lost the election.

if hes not governing how western backed opposition wants him to govern they have every right to ignore the will of the people and remove him from power in a coup