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Because I disagree that their principles constitute cardio training for this example.None of their programs are for aerobic training (without adding Long steady state work). I would put it under weight training in this specific example. That's why I said it will get you good at swinging a kettlebell.I said:
Strongfirst is doing some really cool stuff with strength endurance and work capacity, which gives you all the benefits listed under both modalities. Simple & Sinister, Iron Cardio, their BJJ Fanatics program, and several other programs will get you strong as hell and let you be explosive for hours.
And you said:
No they won't. They will get you good at swinging a kettlebell.
You don't know shit about Strongfirst's programs, something made pretty clear by your kettlebell swing comment. They will more than deliver all the points in the OP's chart and the adaptations I discussed. And you know how stupid you sound because now you're babbling about what elite athletes need and trying to change this to a discussion about steady state cardio.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Cardiac output (CO), also known as heart output is the volumetric flow rate of the heart's pumping output: that is, the volume of blood being pumped by a single ventricle of the heart, per unit time (usually measured per minute). Cardiac output (CO) is the product of the heart rate (HR), i.e. the number of heartbeats per minute (bpm), and the stroke volume (SV), which is the volume of blood pumped from the left ventricle per beat; thus giving the formula:
(Stolen from Wiki)
Kettlebell Axe is antiglycolitic training. It's not cardio it's aimed at developing the ability to sustain power over an extended duration. It doesn't meet the goal of what we would call cardio, it's more akin to weight training.
Anti-Glycolytic Training for Power-Speed Athletes - SimpliFaster
Are chronically high-intensity efforts the way to train the power-speed athlete? Coach Austin McClinton doesn’t believe so; instead, he embraces Verkhoshansky’s anti-glycolytic training style.
simplifaster.com
Quick and the dead has the same issue and Simple and Sinisters max interval is only 10 mins. None of those programs are cardio. They are general strength and conditioning programs.
Only reason I have responded is to expand on what I said because you initially asked.
You missed half my initial post as a heads up...
No they won't. They will get you good at swinging a kettlebell.
I enjoy the work and that style of training, but relying on the "WTH" effect to say this works, isn't good enough.
It's less effective than just lifting weights, running and doing some plyo style jumping and throws would be.
It's good as a part of a program, but their minimalist programs aren't really effective long term as a stand alone. It's why they don't have any really successful athletes outside of their own competitions.
Just my opinion after following all these different programs over the years and 15+ years of Kettlebell training.