David Onama shady relationship with tipster

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Hey guys, hope everyone is doing well.

So, last night in his post fight interview Onama made a "call out to his guy, skinny bets". On this guy Instagram profile you can see that he is a MMA tipster.

On this guy instagram stories you can see that he made a somehow large bet (12 grand) on the over 1.5 rounds in the Onama fight. Onama himself shared this bet and is telling people to follow skinny bets because he is a great tipster and such.

After rewatching the fight, I noticied that Onama had a very low pace in the first round and only went for the arm triangle exactly after 2:30 minutes in the second round.

This tipster also posted a video of him waiting for Onama to call him out live on the octagon interview. This obviously tell us that he knew that Onama would to this and they had some kind of deal. (https://instagram.com/stories/skinnybets/2878895104681550680?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=)

All this makes me think that this is shady AF. A big favorite like Onama (-800) can confortably control the pace of the fight and make the fight last longer if he wants it.

What do you guys think? Am I being paranoid?
 
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fighters do this all the time. i think Carlos ulberg went to decision against Fabio because his decision odds were very high. it would not surprise me that fighters bet on themselves and everyone in their gym is in on it and they all bet the house. i imagine izzy bet ulberg to a decision and more than quadrupled his wealth. imagine how much money is involved?
 
Hopefully the mods take down this garbage thread.

This poster can accuse a fighter, with absolutely no evidence, of engaging in fight fixing but accusing them of using steroids would be crossing the line? The IG user the op is referencing PAYS fighters to shout them out, and many well known fighters do, yet because the OP lost their over/under this time now its suddenly being fixed?

OP is the kind of person who messages a fighter after they lose to let them know they ruined their parlay.
 
Or maybe Onama took it slow early cuz his opponent was a short-notice replacement whom he had already fought in the amateur circuit, and had gone the distance with prior.

Besides this is a non-issue unless his opponent was also in on it.
 
UFCIsNOTRigged said:
Hopefully the mods take down this garbage thread.

This poster can accuse a fighter, with absolutely no evidence, of engaging in fight fixing but accusing them of using steroids would be crossing the line? The IG user the op is referencing PAYS fighters to shout them out, and many well known fighters do, yet because the OP lost their over/under this time now its suddenly being fixed?

OP is the kind of person who messages a fighter after they lose to let them know they ruined their parlay.
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its not really fight fixing, since its not a loser throwing a fight but a winner deciding when to end it in a legit way. there is no crime in betting for yourself unless the opponent is in on it.
 
UFCIsNOTRigged said:
Hopefully the mods take down this garbage thread.

This poster can accuse a fighter, with absolutely no evidence, of engaging in fight fixing but accusing them of using steroids would be crossing the line? The IG user the op is referencing PAYS fighters to shout them out, and many well known fighters do, yet because the OP lost their over/under this time now its suddenly being fixed?

OP is the kind of person who messages a fighter after they lose to let them know they ruined their parlay.
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You seem like the kind of person who always defends the fighter no matter what. I think the OP is making a solid point to how Onama's behaviour seems very questionable. Of course fighters do these things all the time. You don't need the help of another fighter for it. But also great fighters like Mayweather do this. Still it is very shady and the OP is in his right to post this.
 
Interesting points OP, definitely worth discussing. Personally I think it's more likely that:

1) Onama already has fought & trained with Armfield and knew all his weaknesses / areas he could exploit his game to win
2) Onama may have been grateful that Armfield stepped in on super short notice & chose to submit him rather than send him to hell with a vicious KO

More so in boxing but it's definitely a thing that fighters can coast at times and take it easier on short notice replacement opponents rather than going balls to the wall against them as many expect.

As long as Onama wasn't coordinating with Armfield behind the scenes or intentionally throwing the fight I think anything else should be fair game.
 
This is the second time this year I've heard a UFC fighter mention Skinny on Instagram in a post-fight. Not sure if it was Onama in his fight before last, or entirely different fighter. iirc, seemed like it was within the last 2-3 months.

Also, when Chris Curtis recently beat Rodolfo Vieira, one of the first things he mentioned in his post-fight speech was that he knew there were some crazy odds for him to win by decision, and that we are welcome for him winning by that method.

Betting on yourself to win is 100% okay in MMA, but that's not what the OP is talking about. The OP is saying that a tipster might have known when a fight would finish because he paid a fighter to pull back a little bit so he could make a big bet at -150 or better, instead of paying -800 for Onama's money line. Betting on yourself to win a fight Over or Under a certain time in a fight should be illegal, but not betting your own money line.
 
PuertoRican said:
This is the second time this year I've heard a UFC fighter mention Skinny on Instagram in a post-fight. Not sure if it was Onama in his fight before last, or entirely different fighter. iirc, seemed like it was within the last 2-3 months.

Also, when Chris Curtis recently beat Rodolfo Vieira, one of the first things he mentioned in his post-fight speech was that he knew there were some crazy odds for him to win by decision, and that we are welcome for him winning by that method.

Betting on yourself to win is 100% okay in MMA, but that's not what the OP is talking about. The OP is saying that a tipster might have known when a fight would finish because he paid a fighter to pull back a little bit so he could make a big bet at -150 or better, instead of paying -800 for Onama's money line. Betting on yourself to win a fight Over or Under a certain time in a fight should be illegal, but not betting your own money line.
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One million percent this.

Fighter betting on their own ML? Absolutely.

Fighter betting on o/u or props, method of victory, etc? No way. You are wading into being able to question whether it's a legit competition at that point.
 
mkess101 said:
One million percent this.

Fighter betting on their own ML? Absolutely.

Fighter betting on o/u or props, method of victory, etc? No way. You are wading into being able to question whether it's a legit competition at that point.
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Only recently have we been able to bet method of victory props on aussie boxing cards. Previously just ML, i assumed to wade out fixing. Could easily have been a low liquidity waste of effort too though

Thats also worth noting with these props in MMA. It isnt like you can get 1000s down, 50 often moves a line. I seriously doubt we see fixed fights from gamblers
 
burge13 said:
Only recently have we been able to bet method of victory props on aussie boxing cards. Previously just ML, i assumed to wade out fixing. Could easily have been a low liquidity waste of effort too though

Thats also worth noting with these props in MMA. It isnt like you can get 1000s down, 50 often moves a line. I seriously doubt we see fixed fights from gamblers
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Very true for specific props. Maybe not so much for o/u though. In Vegas for example you could absolutely get big $ on o/u lines and then multiply it by different books and it's big action. Then a heavily favored fighter with a huge grappling edge just lays on top of his opponent until the over hits for example.

One reason I am not thinking this was shady business by Obama is that he didn't do that. He stood with the guy most of rd 1 and the guy was throwing heat and actually clipped Onama a couple times. That's not a low risk way to carry a guy past 1.5 rounds. If that's what Onama was trying to do I think he'd have just taken him down early and laid on top of him.
 
burge13 said:
Only recently have we been able to bet method of victory props on aussie boxing cards. Previously just ML, i assumed to wade out fixing. Could easily have been a low liquidity waste of effort too though

Thats also worth noting with these props in MMA. It isnt like you can get 1000s down, 50 often moves a line. I seriously doubt we see fixed fights from gamblers
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Many btc bookies allow over 10 btc bets on over/unders
 
Stat_Collector said:
fighters do this all the time. i think Carlos ulberg went to decision against Fabio because his decision odds were very high. it would not surprise me that fighters bet on themselves and everyone in their gym is in on it and they all bet the house. i imagine izzy bet ulberg to a decision and more than quadrupled his wealth. imagine how much money is involved?
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Lol
 
Apparently this dude runs a gambling Onlyfans, claims to be first non-porn person to make 2.5mil
 
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