International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

Tairy Hesticles said:
There were smear articles written about people like Rogan for even raising the question about this virus potentially coming from a lab. People were called right wing nut jobs and racists for months. Now it appears that they were right and you want to move the goal posts.
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They do this with literally everything. Kids in cages became " but it was the family separation ", as soon as Biden exasperated the border crisis.
 
You folks should really check out this video from YouTubers ADVChina. They have lived in China. They were amongst the first people to call out the official narrative this virus came from the seafood market.

In the below video - skip to 31:20 - Peter Daszak , the head of EcoHealth Alliance, which provided funding for the Wuhan Inst. of Virology and is himself personally connected to the head scientist there, talks about how easy it is to modify Coronaviruses and inserting spike proteins into another virus.

 
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Madmick said:
Almost none of them are true, and this one hasn't yet been established to be true. The preponderance of evidence remains on the side of the assumption of a natural origin (from Wuhan China).

The fact this is your takeaway is a perfect demonstration of the continuing struggle that exists in the States with scientific ignorance that the EU has managed to transcend over the past 50 years.
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The reason people are finally accepting the lab leak is Bc all evidence leads to that, and always has.

You know, the lab that studied coronaviruses in Wuhan. Where this all started
 
Rholk said:
Could you name a few that were proven to be true?
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To start, it was a conspiracy at first to suggest that human to human transmission was possible back in late 2019 when China started locking down dozens of millions of people. If you remember, the MSM spent most of late 2019 telling people that there was nothing to see in China, and that this was all basically a flu. Trump was called a racist by everyone (including Biden) for restricting travel from China. Pelosi said that people should go party in Chinatown. Then this thing spread and the MSM did a complete 180. So, the first month or so, people like me were called conspiracy theorists for telling people that this thing was coming and that it was a big deal.

Once the MSM and Dem politicians changed their tune, it became a conspiracy to suggest that China and the WHO were hiding their true numbers. There was a lot of race baiting at this time to stop people from questioning China's intentions. Then it was a conspiracy to suggest that China was jailing and killing their own citizens for speaking out about the virus. Then it was a conspiracy to suggest that this wasn't the result of one person eating a bat in a wet market. Then it was a conspiracy to suggest that Chinese spies had been smuggling coronavirus samples from the US/Canada. Then it was a conspiracy to suggest that the Wuhan lab may be responsible, and that the lab had been moved from it original spot on Google maps.

There's more (Cuomo sticking sick people in nursing homes and needlessly killing elderly people, masks being helpful, etc), but that's a short timeline from the top of my head. The MSM has been wrong about this virus since the beginning and any dissent from the official narrative has been labeled as dangerous conspiracy theories. Countless people have been kicked off tech platforms for reporting things that were proven to be true a couple months later. Then the MSM just gaslights and pretends like they knew these things were true all along.
 
fedoriswar37 said:
They do this with literally everything. Kids in cages became " but it was the family separation ", as soon as Biden exasperated the border crisis.
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It's truly disgusting. People always think it's the government giving you propaganda, but they just incentivize private businesses to lie for them.
 
Sounds like a change in government line more than anything else. China may or may not have developed the virus in a lab, but when an apparatchik like Fauci makes statements like these it is because the political powers that be wants to put pressure on China, or appear to do so. The factual basis for the lab theory has been around for a long time.
 
It came from Chy-Na and no one should be surprised if it came from a lab. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is right there where it all started.
 
Tairy Hesticles said:
To start, it was a conspiracy at first to suggest that human to human transmission was possible back in late 2019 when China started locking down dozens of millions of people. If you remember, the MSM spent most of late 2019 telling people that there was nothing to see in China, and that this was all basically a flu. Trump was called a racist by everyone (including Biden) for restricting travel from China. Pelosi said that people should go party in Chinatown. Then this thing spread and the MSM did a complete 180. So, the first month or so, people like me were called conspiracy theorists for telling people that this thing was coming and that it was a big deal.

Once the MSM and Dem politicians changed their tune, it became a conspiracy to suggest that China and the WHO were hiding their true numbers. There was a lot of race baiting at this time to stop people from questioning China's intentions. Then it was a conspiracy to suggest that China was jailing and killing their own citizens for speaking out about the virus. Then it was a conspiracy to suggest that this wasn't the result of one person eating a bat in a wet market. Then it was a conspiracy to suggest that Chinese spies had been smuggling coronavirus samples from the US/Canada. Then it was a conspiracy to suggest that the Wuhan lab may be responsible, and that the lab had been moved from it original spot on Google maps.

There's more (Cuomo sticking sick people in nursing homes and needlessly killing elderly people, masks being helpful, etc), but that's a short timeline from the top of my head. The MSM has been wrong about this virus since the beginning and any dissent from the official narrative has been labeled as dangerous conspiracy theories. Countless people have been kicked off tech platforms for reporting things that were proven to be true a couple months later. Then the MSM just gaslights and pretends like they knew these things were true all along.
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The media completley exasperated the situation. When people are getting their medical advice from news anchors you know your in big trouble
 
Because of the location of the lab and the fact that a proper international investigation (if possible) into it would probably not yield any incriminating evidence now, i think that there will always be a suspicion for many that covid19 came from that lab, irrespective of the evidence pointing to the contrary. It depends on which/whose assessments of the evidence you find more credible, which in turn may also reflect on your own biases.

Whatever the true origin was, we need to reflect and learn to prepare better for a future pandemic: should what is certainly risky research of the type conducted at wiv be allowed to continue globally, and if not, are we prepared to sacrifice the insights that such research may offer? The possibility that covid came from a lab shouldnt detract from the fact that the next pandemic may emerge in nature, as pretty much all of the viruses that infect us have. What are we going to do to prevent this, and are we willing to change/cease many of the human activities that make these zoonotic events increasingly frequent; are we willing to accept those sacrifices too?
 
Trump is making lies about Wuhan lab, hiring russians for bounties, tried to benefit himself in ukraine and not remove the establishment there with ties to biden ukraine,




Oh wait, let's shut down our own pipeline, but open a Russia-Eurasia one... "but trump's secret service golfing!"



who benefits from this pipeline? Western China and slave labor to huge corporations.
 
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Yehudim said:
That is the opposite of Occam's Razor.
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That's what I was thinking

Occams razor would be that the communists were playing with viruses with communists safety standards and fucked up

Complete incompetence seems much more likely to me than some grand conspiracy
 
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