Do Anderson Silva Fans Really Believe That He Could Have Bested Two Striking Specialists?

[stacrafty]

That being Israel Adesanya and Alex Pereira.
Two guys who spent a large if not majority portion of their prime focused solely on striking.

I see a lot of "Prime Silva would of" comments. And in my head I'm like, cmon wake up. Anderson is the 185 GOAT.
No question.

But as primarily a striker himself, he could not have beaten the 2 aforementioned.

And for those who want to point to the Izzy vs. Old Silva as a moral victory, let me shut that down by saying this.

We can't know If Israel was taking easy on him, but we know what Israel is capable of. What we do know is that Silva posed absolutely zero threat in that fight.
And we also know that Israel is fine cruising to a desicion.

Anderson fans are delusional. The guy got dropped multiple times vs Chael Sonnen.

Yes he styled on average strikers with his hands down chin out approach baiting them into spectacular KO's
This is always going to be more compelling to the casual fan than someone being so good technically that they often put opponents into a defensive shell

The most compelling fact from Anderson fans that proves Izzy is better... is they champion those flashly KO's...
But then they won't count, refuse to count, make excuses for... when that hands down chin out bait approach failed... and he went on a 1-6 skid

The whole time being a drug cheat pissing hot for multiple substances multiple times.

Anderson fans know Izzy is better, thats why their reasoning is littered with cherry picking, trying to over hype technically average fighters (Vitor, Hendo etc) and flat out ignoring hes a drug cheat.

 

[TheNinja]

I gotta take points off Anderson for failed drug tests. Who knows what he was doing the whole time.

He was still must watch MMA at the time. He made other fighters look like they were stuck in slow motion.

 

[Reach Finesse]

Anderson fans are delusional. The guy got dropped multiple times vs Chael Sonnen.

Yes he styled on average strikers with his hands down chin out approach baiting them into spectacular KO's
This is always going to be more compelling to the casual fan than someone being so good technically that they often put opponents into a defensive shell

The most compelling fact from Anderson fans that proves Izzy is better... is they champion those flashly KO's...
But then they won't count, refuse to count, make excuses for... when that hands down chin out bait approach failed... and he went on a 1-6 skid

The whole time being a drug cheat pissing hot for multiple substances multiple times.

Anderson fans know Izzy is better, thats why their reasoning is littered with cherry picking, trying to over hype technically average fighters (Vitor, Hendo etc) and flat out ignoring hes a drug cheat.

Yeah gyno boy is clean...lmao
Got dropped by Gastelum, scared to engage Yoel, outstruck by Whitaker, outstruck by Jan

Alex beats Silva though

 

[drbolony]

I think you mixed up what I said about the Anderson vs Murray fight with Izzy vs Alex. Alex only went for one takedown and got it against Izzy. I'm also pretty sure the double leg that Anderson got against Murray started from the clinch, it wasn't a far away shot, they were close to each other and Murray's back was close to the cage, if I remember right he was standing up really strait to try to avoid the Thai Clinch which allowed Anderson to get an easy double leg.

If you want to see how Anderson sets up takedowns watch his fights with Murray and Chonan, those are the two fights he went for the most takedowns and got the most takedowns in his career.

I watched that video, Izzy says specifically he wasn't taking it easy on Anderson, it just sounds like the mind games were fucking with him.

Marvin is not a striker, I specifically mentioned him as one of the grapplers that took Izzy down early in his UFC career. I sent you the link to fightmetric, just look at who got takedowns and decide for yourself who's mostly a striker or not, but I think you'll see the same thing, Izzy gets taken down more by strikers than grapplers, especially after he developed his TDD.

http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/1338e2c7480bdf9e

You keep editing after I respond.

Ryo Chonan was a WW dude and a completely different body type. On top of that, he finished Anderson. I was only using their UFC career head to head for a reason, that's when Anderson was in his prime and when he fought the largest and best opposition of his career. He only took down Nate Marquardt, Patrick Cote, and Chael Sonnen.

I just rewatched the Marquardt fight and I have no idea what they counted as a TD in that fight. Anderson jumped a Guillotine when Nate had a single. The fight played out on the ground until the last minute where they're stood up and Anderson finished with punches and GnP.

I don't remember, nor do I want to rewatch how Anderson took down Cote and Chael (5 round fights) but my point stands, Anderson had 3 TD's (2 I didn't see a TD against Nate) in his UFC career, I don't see how he's all of a sudden going to threaten a man with a similar frame to his own.

You want to point as their head to head (Izzy and Anderson) as an indication of how a fight in their prime will go. Fine I will too,Anderson was down on the score cards, why didn't he threaten any grappling then?

 

[stacrafty]

Yeah gyno boy is clean...lmao
Got dropped by Gastelum, scared to engage Yoel, outstruck by Whitaker, outstruck by Jan

Alex beats Silva though

the delusion and cope is insane

Izzy has been tested so many times (always clean) he got awarded a Usada jacket - yet according to kids like yourself he must be on something
Anderson actually got caught for multiple substances multiple times.... and its largely forgotten

Come on muppet, you are playing in to what I literally just said - you know Anderson isn't is good so you have to cherry pick, make stuff up, and forget things even happened

Dropped by Gastellum? that never happened (you made this up), outstruck by Whitakker? - what does the offical record say? who won? (derp derp shertard)
And Jan? lmao he was the 205 champ on a tear.... Did Anderson ever go up and fight the 205 champ? he sure talked about it a lot - heck he was even scared to let GSP come up and fight him

Like wtf, am I being trolled? surely no one can be as dumb to fire back the very things they just got called out on.
But no, I've been on here since 2007 - I know very well this forum is an echo chamber of stupidity.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

You keep editing after I respond.

Ryo Chonan was a WW dude and a completely different body type. On top of that, he finished Anderson. I was only using their UFC career head to head for a reason, that's when Anderson was in his prime and when he fought the largest and best opposition of his career. He only took down Nate Marquardt, Patrick Cote, and Chael Sonnen.

I just rewatched the Marquardt fight and I have no idea what they counted as a TD in that fight. Anderson jumped a Guillotine when Nate had a single. The fight played out on the ground until the last minute where they're stood up and Anderson finished with punches and GnP.

I don't remember, nor do I want to rewatch how Anderson took down Cote and Chael (5 round fights) but my point stands, Anderson had 3 TD's (2 I didn't see a TD against Nate) in his UFC career, I don't see how he's all of a sudden going to threaten a man with a similar frame to his own.

You want to point as their head to head (Izzy and Anderson) as an indication of how a fight in their prime will go. Fine I will too,Anderson was down on the score cards, why didn't he threaten any grappling then?

Dude, you asked me how would Anderson go for takedowns, I told you how then I gave you fights you can watch to see for yourself, then you bitch and moan because I answered your question and tried to help you see for yourself by providing fights where Anderson went for takedowns. Go fuck yourself man!

 

[CrocopHKtotheballs]

Prime Anderson was incredibly diverse and had an iron chin. Could walk through Hendo bombs and just put it on you. Plus as soon as he hurt you it was over. Best finisher in MMA.

Comments like these are dumb since silva never ate a "hendo bomb". Robert, gastelum, paulo, romero and poatan are leagues better strikers than anyone silva has ever fought. Silva is a goat but hes always been a glorified striker like how chuck was beating up wrestlers

 

[drbolony]

Dude, you asked me how would Anderson go for takedowns, I told you how then I gave you fights you can watch to see for yourself, then you bitch and moan because I answered your question and tried to help you see for yourself by providing fights where Anderson went for takedowns. Go fuck yourself man!

I'll accept that as your submission

 

[Bjjpitbull8]

Anderson in his prime had Matrix level reflexes, an iron chin, true 8 limb striking (meaning he could end his opponent with punches,kicks,knees,elbows). He is also a high level grappler who is leagues above Izzy or Alex on the ground. I see Andy as having a myriad of ways to end either of them. Recency bias isn’t going to change my mind on who the MW GOAT is.

Remember when SIlva went up and schooled dudes at 205.

Including a champ who took out Rampage, ended him.
Ended bonnar. Ended irving. Came back...

BEAT CHAEL TWICE for good measure.. (unlike izzy afraid to rematch ALEX)

Let's not forget when PRIME izzy went up
and couldn't even get off his back,
lost a decision...
to a guy who went on to be FINISHED by old man GLOVER.

At least some of us are not delusional. Anderson would make both of them look like amateurs. Izzy couldn’t do a thing to an over the hill Anderson. He’d be matrixed and on the floor. Alex is way too sloppy. Anderson would dismantle him quickly and brutally.

I always wonder in these threads if the people posting have even seen him fight in his prime. Let us know when Alex or Izzy go 2,457 days as champ; including going up in weight and brutally finishing guys.

 

[djacobox372]

Silva is on an entirely different level than Izzy and Alex... people forget that he was 38yo when he lost to Weidman.

 

[jayo2k]

That being Israel Adesanya and Alex Pereira.
Two guys who spent a large if not majority portion of their prime focused solely on striking.

I see a lot of "Prime Silva would of" comments. And in my head I'm like, cmon wake up. Anderson is the 185 GOAT.
No question.

But as primarily a striker himself, he could not have beaten the 2 aforementioned.

And for those who want to point to the Izzy vs. Old Silva as a moral victory, let me shut that down by saying this.

We can't know If Israel was taking easy on him, but we know what Israel is capable of. What we do know is that Silva posed absolutely zero threat in that fight.
And we also know that Israel is fine cruising to a desicion.

Silva was a great striker for MMA standard, but very bad in actual pure striking sport... You need to remember he wanted to be a boxer but was very bad and some people here think he will beat glory champions... What the hell is wrong sith soime people...? Sure he is old but he could not even do jack against a youtuber... I do not think Remy Bonjasky would have struggled against Paul... People on sherdog should be real....

 

[MDoza]

Izzy might be a better kickboxer, but Anderson was creative and knew how to hurt people with unorthodox shit.

 

[kflo]

The financial incentive was much greater for mma……and anderson was an mma fighter…..

 

[fica]

That being Israel Adesanya and Alex Pereira.
Two guys who spent a large if not majority portion of their prime focused solely on striking.

I see a lot of "Prime Silva would of" comments. And in my head I'm like, cmon wake up. Anderson is the 185 GOAT.
No question.

But as primarily a striker himself, he could not have beaten the 2 aforementioned.

And for those who want to point to the Izzy vs. Old Silva as a moral victory, let me shut that down by saying this.

We can't know If Israel was taking easy on him, but we know what Israel is capable of. What we do know is that Silva posed absolutely zero threat in that fight.
And we also know that Israel is fine cruising to a desicion.

with anderson silva he is ped user but if there was a fighter that mike tyson quote apply to is silva

 

[Snoowpy]

Anderson would've got lit up by Izzy and Pereira. In pure standup His head movement and reflexes were legendary. But he always made a show on beating mediocre strikers with more complete skillsets. He was crafty as fuh though. And his BJJ would slice through theirs like butter if he'd let go of his ego.

He'd pull a couple of moves though and try to play mindgames. It's just the min maxed style of worldclass Kickboxing and TDD makes for a difficult style matchup for a Boxing heavy Muay Thai fighter with karate elements to him and BJJ. He'd murk them on the ground. I'd see anderson catching a leg and catching a takedown or footsweep that way.

He might've even made it a grimy fight. I just do not see him outspeed izzy. And I do not see him take the calf kicks and low kicks of pereira which would shut down his boxing based game.

The competition overall is just a lot better now then when Anderson was in his prime. The Lebens, Forrests, Bonnars and Chaels of today wouldn't hang imo.

 

[mkt]

And now is Lee Murray's TDD comparable to Izzy's? Especially from the clinch? A well timed Double leg may be something to watch out for.

No, but fighting Anderson is FAR different than fighting someone like Brunson when you're expecting TDs. Anderson sneaking a TD during a striking exchange would be very unexpected.

 

[mkt]

Anderson would've got lit up by Izzy and Pereira. In pure standup His head movement and reflexes were legendary. But he always made a show on beating mediocre strikers with more complete skillsets. He was crafty as fuh though. And his BJJ would slice through theirs like butter if he'd let go of his ego.

He'd pull a couple of moves though and try to play mindgames. It's just the min maxed style of worldclass Kickboxing and TDD makes for a difficult style matchup for a Boxing heavy Muay Thai fighter with karate elements to him and BJJ. He'd murk them on the ground. I'd see anderson catching a leg and catching a takedown or footsweep that way.

He might've even made it a grimy fight. I just do not see him outspeed izzy. And I do not see him take the calf kicks and low kicks of pereira which would shut down his boxing based game.

The competition overall is just a lot better now then when Anderson was in his prime. The Lebens, Forrests, Bonnars and Chaels of today wouldn't hang imo.

I'd give Chael a good chance against Izzy or Pereira. He had a great chin, serviceable striking and much more explosive TDs than anyone Izzy or Pereira has fought. He also had a good top game as long as his opponent didn't have good submission off their back...and those two guys definitely don't.

Look what an old striker in Jan did to Izzy with his wrestling. Chael vs. Izzy looks like Anderson vs. Chael #1 except Izzy doesn't get the last minute finish and loses 50-45.

 

[aogiri]

Maybe he could, I don't know but whenever people say he will beat Izzy or Pereira they don't give any technical analysis and instead say look how he destroyed Forest Griffin or look at him finishing everyone while Izzy is getting decisions and act as if that means he destroys Izzy and pereira when he hasnt fought anyone near their striking level

 

[GoshiShun17]

Maybe he could, I don't know but whenever people say he will beat Izzy or Pereira they don't give any technical analysis and instead say look how he destroyed Forest Griffin or look at him finishing everyone while Izzy is getting decisions and act as if that means he destroys Izzy and pereira when he hasnt fought anyone near their striking level

EXACTLY!!!

 

[krelianx]

That being Israel Adesanya and Alex Pereira.
Two guys who spent a large if not majority portion of their prime focused solely on striking.

I see a lot of "Prime Silva would of" comments. And in my head I'm like, cmon wake up. Anderson is the 185 GOAT.
No question.

But as primarily a striker himself, he could not have beaten the 2 aforementioned.

And for those who want to point to the Izzy vs. Old Silva as a moral victory, let me shut that down by saying this.

We can't know If Israel was taking easy on him, but we know what Israel is capable of. What we do know is that Silva posed absolutely zero threat in that fight.
And we also know that Israel is fine cruising to a desicion.

We can know whether "Izzy was taking it easy on him" because it is a remarkably stupid idea that he would take it easy on him.

And to say that "we know Silva posed zero threat" is even more remarkably stupid.

I think you don't know how to tell apart collective knowledge from arbitrary extrapolated assumptions.