International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

You're gaslighting me.

This is a very simple question (which I honestly wanted an answer for.) Just answer the question please.

How is the current government trying to contain the ultra nationalist settlers?


I do not see the answer to this in any of your replies.

This is frankly one of the weirdest interactions that I have had with you.

You're demanding from me to support a stance which I already unequivocally claimed the opposite of - the current government is enabling said ultra nationalist settlers.
I never anywhere claimed that there were attempts to curtail their activity.
 
This is frankly one of the weirdest interactions that I have had with you.

You're demanding from me to support a stance which I already unequivocally claimed the opposite of - the current government is enabling said ultra nationalist settlers.
I never anywhere claimed that there were attempts to curtail their activity.

Ok apologies. I misinterpreted - I thought you meant the other definition of "contains." As in containing (curtailing) the spread of the settlements.

The current government contains ultra nationalist settlers. What does this have to do with differentiating between kinds of settlement expansion?
 
Nope.




"Oh, look! They've got names written in Hebrew so they must be all alike!"



He's not a philosopher. He's an Islamist theologian who spreads his retarded message about his death cult to the laymen. He's one of the many examples of a follower of said death cult who goes around planting the seeds of his bullshit ideology to establish Islamic supremacy.

There is no way that first tweet is real
 
And people were saying that Ahmaud Arbery was wearing Timberlands while he was out jogging and murdered... Until the trial showed otherwise.

I'll wait for the investigation.



Lmao what did the trial show? That a kid got gunned down? These suckers are serving life.


And there’s plenty of Israel evidence of crimes.
 
Lmao what did the trial show? That a kid got gunned down? These suckers are serving life.


And there’s plenty of Israel evidence of crimes.

You're missing the point.

There was a LOT of speculation about what he was wearing (some claimed to aid in a crime spree) "Timberland boots" while the trial showed he had on actual jogging shoes as he was...

Jogging.

I'll wait for the investigation.
 
You're missing the point.

There was a LOT of speculation about what he was wearing (some claimed to aid in a crime spree) "Timberland boots" while the trial showed he had on actual jogging shoes as he was...

Jogging.

I'll wait for the investigation.

There's not going to be an investigation.
 
I'd like to see the U.N. send in investigation teams and get to the bottom of this.

Israel or Hamas, let the chips fall where they may.


I'd also like that. But it will alter very few opinions. Un not considering hamas a terrorist organisation and the push to give them full membership has already shown that.

It's the same with the icc. USA and Israel will openly dismiss and contine to threaten them both.

What's the point in them investigating really. Both have decided they are exempt from prosecution. There's sweet f all they can do


In recent weeks, authorities in the United States and Israel have made inflammatory statements concerning the ICC, characterising the Prosecutor’s potential actions as “lawless,” “disgraceful,” and any possible warrants as “an outrageous assault” and “an abomination”. Such comments have persisted for more than a week amid reports that Congressional leaders in the United States are preparing possible retaliatory action, including sanctions on individuals who work for the Court and efforts to de-fund the ICC, should arrest warrants be issued against Israeli officials, and threats from the Israeli Finance Minister to also withhold funds from the Palestinian Authority.
 
I'd like to see the U.N. send in investigation teams and get to the bottom of this.

Israel or Hamas, let the chips fall where they may.

The UN has already investigated countless previous actions by Israel over the years, deemed them war crimes and literally nothing happened.
 

UN assembly approves resolution granting Palestine new rights and reviving its UN membership bid​


BY EDITH M. LEDERER
Updated 10:58 PM BRT, May 10, 2024

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly voted by a wide margin on Friday to grant new “rights and privileges” to Palestine and called on the Security Council to reconsider Palestine’s request to become the 194th member of the United Nations.

The world body approved the Arab and Palestinian-sponsored resolution by a vote of 143-9 with 25 abstentions. The United States voted against it, along with Israel, Argentina, Czechia, Hungary, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Papua New Guinea.

The vote reflected the wide global support for full membership of Palestine in the United Nations, with many countries expressing outrage at the escalating death toll in Gaza and fears of a major Israeli offensive in Rafah, a southern city where about 1.3 million Palestinians have sought refuge.
It also demonstrated growing support for the Palestinians. A General Assembly resolution on Oct. 27 calling for a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza was approved 120-14 with 45 abstentions. That was just weeks after Israel launched its military offensive in response to Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack in southern Israel, which killed 1,200 people.

While Friday’s resolution gives Palestine some new rights and privileges, it reaffirms that it remains a non-member observer state without full U.N. membership and the right to vote in the General Assembly or at any of its conferences. And the United States has made clear that it will block Palestinian membership and statehood until direct negotiations with Israel resolve key issues, including security, boundaries and the future of Jerusalem, and lead to a two-state solution.

U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood said Friday that for the U.S. to support Palestinian statehood, direct negotiations must guarantee Israel’s security and future as a democratic Jewish state and that Palestinians can live in peace in a state of their own.



The U.S. also vetoed a widely backed council resolution on April 18 that would have paved the way for full United Nations membership for Palestine.

Under the U.N. Charter, prospective members of the United Nations must be “peace-loving” and the Security Council must recommend their admission to the General Assembly for final approval. Palestine became a U.N. non-member observer state in 2012.

The United States considers Friday’s resolution an attempt to get around the Charter’s provisions, Wood reiterated Thursday.

Unlike resolutions in the Security Council, there are no vetoes in the 193-member General Assembly. Friday’s resolution required a two-thirds majority of members voting and got significantly more than the 118 vote minimum.

U.S. allies supported the resolution, including France, Japan, South Korea, Spain, Australia, Estonia and Norway. But European countries were very divided.

The resolution “determines” that a state of Palestine is qualified for membership — dropping the original language that in the General Assembly’s judgment it is “a peace-loving state.” It therefore recommends that the Security Council reconsider its request “favorably.”

The renewed push for full Palestinian membership in the U.N. comes as the war in Gaza has put the more than 75-year-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict at center stage. At numerous council and assembly meetings, the humanitarian crisis facing the Palestinians in Gaza and the killing of more than 34,000 people in the territory, according to Gaza health officials, have generated outrage from many countries.

Before the vote, Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian U.N. ambassador, told the assembly in an emotional speech that “No words can capture what such loss and trauma signifies for Palestinians, their families, communities and for our nation as a whole.”

He said Palestinians in Gaza “have been pushed to the very edge of the strip, to the very brink of life” with Israel besieging Rafah.

Mansour accused Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of preparing “to kill thousands to ensure his political survival” and aiming to destroy the Palestinian people.

He welcomed the resolution’s strong support and told AP that 144 countries have now recognized the state of Palestine, including four countries since Oct. 7, all from the Caribbean.

Israel’s U.N. Ambassador Gilad Erdan vehemently opposed the resolution, accusing U.N. member nations of not mentioning Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack and seeking “to reward modern-day Nazis with rights and privileges.”

He said if an election were held today, Hamas would win, and warned U.N. members that they were “about to grant privileges and rights to the future terror state of Hamas.” He held up a photo of Yehya Sinwar, the mastermind of the Hamas attack on Israel, saying a terrorist “whose stated goal is Jewish genocide” would be a future Palestinian leader.

Erdan also accused the assembly of trampling on the U.N. Charter, putting two pages that said “U.N. Charter” in a small shredder he held up. .

The original draft of the resolution was changed significantly to address concerns not only by the U.S. but also by Russia and China, three Western diplomats said, speaking on condition of anonymity because negotiations were private.

The first draft would have conferred on Palestine “the rights and privileges necessary to ensure its full and effective participation” in the assembly’s sessions and U.N. conferences “on equal footing with member states.” It also made no reference to whether Palestine could vote in the General Assembly.

According to the diplomats, Russia and China, which are strong supporters of Palestine’s U.N. membership, were concerned that granting the rights and privileges listed in an annex could set a precedent for other would-be U.N. members — with Russia concerned about Kosovo and China about Taiwan.

Under longstanding legislation by the U.S. Congress, the United States is required to cut off funding to U.N. agencies that give full membership to a Palestinian state, which could mean a cutoff in dues and voluntary contributions to the U.N. from its largest contributor.

The final draft that was voted on dropped the language that would put Palestine “on equal footing with member states.” And to address Chinese and Russian concerns, it decided “on an exceptional basis and without setting a precedent” to adopt the rights and privileges in the annex.

It also added a provision in the annex clarifying that it does not give Palestine the right to vote in the General Assembly or put forward candidates for U.N. agencies.

What the resolution does give Palestine are the rights to speak on all issues not just those related to the Palestinians and Middle East, to propose agenda items and reply in debates, and to serve on the assembly’s main committees. It also allows Palestinians to participate in U.N. and international conferences convened by the United Nations, but without the right to vote.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas first delivered the Palestinian Authority’s application for U.N. membership in 2011. It failed because the Palestinians didn’t get the required minimum support of nine of the Security Council’s 15 members.

They went to the General Assembly and succeeded by more than a two-thirds majority in having their status raised from a U.N. observer to a non-member observer state. That opened the door for the Palestinian territories to join U.N. and other international organizations, including the International Criminal Court.

In the Security Council vote on April 18, the Palestinians got much more support for full U.N. membership. The vote was 12 in favor, the United Kingdom and Switzerland abstaining, and the United States voting no and vetoing the resolution.

https://apnews.com/article/un-resolution-palestinians-membership-rights-us-assembly-875560e897f27d6600090420f36404e4

 
- IDF never cared about the hostages.
....
Ok

So perhaps Hamas can just release the ~30 living hostages that they still have.
So we can actually get a ceasefire going and the liveration of Raffah can get canceled/postponed, saving thousands of innocent Palestinians
 
....
Ok

So perhaps Hamas can just release the ~30 living hostages that they still have.
So we can actually get a ceasefire going and the liveration of Raffah can get canceled/postponed, saving thousands of innocent Palestinians


They should return the hostages regardless but i dont think it will halt Rafah


Asked whether Hamas’ acceptance of a deal could change Israel’s plans for Rafah, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari said the military would continue to operate in Gaza. He said operations are ongoing, but that the IDF is making every effort in the negotiations to bring the hostages home as “fast as possible.”

Netanyahu has come under fierce pressure from the more extreme wing of his coalition not to accept the ceasefire proposal outlined last week, and to focus instead on destroying Hamas in Rafah.

Orit Strook, Israel’s settlements minister and a member of the far-right Religious Zionism party, said last week that accepting the deal would “throw” Israel’s military progress “in the trash.”

Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, said Netanyahu had “promised that Israel would enter Rafah, assured that the war would not end, and pledged that there would be no reckless deal.”

But large parts of the Israeli public have demanded Netanyahu accept a deal. Families and supporters of the hostages blocked the Ayalon Highway in Tel Aviv last week, holding a banner reading: “Rafah or the hostages – choose life.”
 
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