Social Homelessness in the U.S. vs Canada

[Blayt7hh]

It’s prob the worse for schizophrenics

Is that really a correlated thing? Weed causing schizophrenic breaks

 

[Ayin]

One thing you need to understand about Canadians that have that opinion of us, is that Canada turned from a formal British colony to an informal American one. There is no identity to defend in Canada, which is not really even a country. So of course they don't get the notion of defending one's culture. But what they don't get is that their criticism applies to most of Europe as well and that Canada is the exception, not Quebec.

As per your little condescending speech about development, us French Canadians have been hearing that since birth, thanks, but we recognise that there is something else to a society than complying to international capital and the religion of GDP growth. Go have that talk with English Canadians because that is all they understand.

Also, Quebec has been systemically disadvantaged until the very modern times. During the civil rights era in the USA, French Canadian political leaders were exchanging letters and had open dialogue with American black leaders as both recognized that they lived
In a society where they were being repressed by the white Anglo majority.

Quebec being behind the most post-industrialized sections of Canada (ie the Financial and international business sectors in Vancouver and Ontario) would be the expected norm for anyone aware of it’s history, not to mention the negative disposition Anglo’s had towards Catholics uupnuntil the later half of the 20th century (remember that there was open discussion as to whether or not US presidential candidates could be trusted to govern as their loyalty was considered divided between their nations and the Papacy).

All of this should be especially accepted by anyone concerned about Systemic Discrimination or the historic lineage of intentional disadvantaging of minority groups in previous generations. Add to that the Intersectional issues issues faced by the descendants of French allied Native tribes and especially the Métis population and national comparisons showing negative Quebec outcomes should be a source of impetus to pressure the majority (Anglo) population to redress the lineage of past wrongs.

But of course, the people who should support all that will instead use Quebec not being interested in taking in non-Francophone immigration as the reason for any negative difference.

 

[Ayin]

Is that really a correlated thing? Weed causing schizophrenic breaks

From what I remember reading about that, there was a correlation between the first schizophrenic episodes and the first use of certain drugs that had some theoretical causal links, but both also happen to occur around the same time in adolescence and there’s not a proven mechanism.

 

[Scheme]

It's always striking how poverty, drug abuse and homelessness look the same almost everywhere you go, just the faces and races change.

It's a sobering reminder that poverty is the issue that should be our top priority if we can ever stop getting bamboozled into attacking "others" while ignoring the problems right in our face that affect all of us.

There are many places that have way more poverty; beyond anything most in the Western world could comprehend, that do not have any issues resembling what we see on the West coasts of the US and Canada. To say this is a poverty problem ignores the fact that more of the world lives in worse poverty and doesn't have some of the scenes we see.

It is a drug problem, through and through. If these people had no access to illegal drugs we wouldn't see this. The issue is actually the enforcement of drug laws in the US and Canada, given their wide and porous borders and recently lax drug policing in certain areas.

 

[Your Account]

which drugs exactly ?
are those drugs available in other markets or only in Canada and U.S.?
totally agree that it doesnt seem to be mostly a poverty issue due to poorer contries worldwide, with less homeless

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Also, Quebec has been systemically disadvantaged until the very modern times. During the civil rights era in the USA, French Canadian political leaders were exchanging letters and had open dialogue with American black leaders as both recognized that they lived
In a society where they were being repressed by the white Anglo majority.

Quebec being behind the most post-industrialized sections of Canada (ie the Financial and international business sectors in Vancouver and Ontario) would be the expected norm for anyone aware of it’s history, not to mention the negative disposition Anglo’s had towards Catholics uupnuntil the later half of the 20th century (remember that there was open discussion as to whether or not US presidential candidates could be trusted to govern as their loyalty was considered divided between their nations and the Papacy).

All of this should be especially accepted by anyone concerned about Systemic Discrimination or the historic lineage of intentional disadvantaging of minority groups in previous generations. Add to that the Intersectional issues issues faced by the descendants of French allied Native tribes and especially the Métis population and national comparisons showing negative Quebec outcomes should be a source of impetus to pressure the majority (Anglo) population to redress the lineage of past wrongs.

But of course, the people who should support all that will instead use Quebec not being interested in taking in non-Francophone immigration as the reason for any negative difference.

Absolutely but nobody gives a shit about any of that because North Americans hate French Canadians. But we don't really care about anyone s opinion. We are a nice example of a nation gaining power over their destiny. We just want to be left alone, take your multiculti shit somewhere else.

 

[irish_thug]

I mean..How else do you become homeless?

Heroin

 

[irish_thug]

I know the right wing say homelessness is a left wing problem, but...

... what are the solutions right wing leaders will implement?

Criminalize homelessness.

 

[irish_thug]

I mean 40 million is a 33% increase from the starting point of 30 million. 40/30 = 1.33. Canada's population was 20 million before the numbers really started exploding which I wouldnt consider "such a low number" as Canada is only a big country in terms of total geography, not actual land viable for dense habitation. 1/3rd of our land is firmly in the Arctic circle, as in 24 hour nights, 24 hour days, zero plants can grow, cars can only start if you have them plugged into a heater 24/7, etc. Then another 1/3rd is "subarctic" so its warm enough that pine trees can survive but its still way too fucking cold and nobody wants to live there, you cant grow crops, etc. Of the remaining 1/3rd that has a climate suitable for habitation, most of it is covered in the Canadian shield, a dense layer of rocks and minerals. We had to dynamite blast through this BS for every inch of highways and railroads we have. This means you cannot make new settlements because if you want to you have to dynamite blast away the entire area before you can ever start to try. So anywhere that can be settled, has been settled. All you can do to increase the population pack those settlements more densely with people.

The United States is in a different situation. Firstly that is a time period of more than a century, and secondly they have no artic BS and actually do have vast swaths of habitable land. Totally different scenarios.

We could maybe become a country as powerful as Italy but it would have to be done with time are careful management, our current government is being too reckless.

Which is why 90% of Canadians live within 100miles of the US bordeer.

 

[irish_thug]

Can you expound on what exactly has been destructive?

and what makes Quebec an exception?

Quebec is the exception because they treat all non-Quebecois with an equal amount of disdain regardless of colour.

 

[icemun]

There are many places that have way more poverty; beyond anything most in the Western world could comprehend, that do not have any issues resembling what we see on the West coasts of the US and Canada. To say this is a poverty problem ignores the fact that more of the world lives in worse poverty and doesn't have some of the scenes we see.

It is a drug problem, through and through. If these people had no access to illegal drugs we wouldn't see this. The issue is actually the enforcement of drug laws in the US and Canada, given their wide and porous borders and recently lax drug policing in certain areas.

I dont pretend to have the answer.

But, in the US we tried the "war on drugs" and that's commonly regarded as a colossal failure.

There has to be some inbetween we (as humans) can figure out without going the Mao route of ending addiction.

 

[Scheme]

I dont pretend to have the answer.

But, in the US we tried the "war on drugs" and that's commonly regarded as a colossal failure.

There has to be some inbetween we (as humans) can figure out without going the Mao route of ending addiction.

The war on drugs was a failure because we couldn't police it. The US is too big, the borders are too porous and the policing of drugs are too difficult. There's an argument to be made that it is too hard to police it in America without significant overhauls to our society. But places that do have strict drug enforcement often have the fewest amount of illicit drug use (at least when it comes to published opiate rates). Places like UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Turkey, etc. tend to be on the bottom of opiate usage and they have the strictest drug laws implemented in the world today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_opiates_use

 

[icemun]

The war on drugs was a failure because we couldn't police it. The US is too big, the borders are too porous and the policing of drugs are too difficult. There's an argument to be made that it is too hard to police it in America without significant overhauls to our society. But places that do have strict drug enforcement often have the fewest amount of illicit drug use (at least when it comes to published opiate rates). Places like UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Turkey, etc. tend to be on the bottom of opiate usage and they have the strictest drug laws implemented in the world today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_opiates_use

The majority of those countries have what we would consider draconian laws in terms of criminal punishment.

Laws that in a society with 500 million guns; that many would die for before protecting kids from getting mass executed in schools, wouldn't work.

 

[icemun]

One thing you need to understand about Canadians that have that opinion of us, is that Canada turned from a formal British colony to an informal American one. There is no identity to defend in Canada, which is not really even a country. So of course they don't get the notion of defending one's culture. But what they don't get is that their criticism applies to most of Europe as well and that Canada is the exception, not Quebec.

As per your little condescending speech about development, us French Canadians have been hearing that since birth, thanks, but we recognise that there is something else to a society than complying to international capital and the religion of GDP growth. Go have that talk with English Canadians because that is all they understand.

To suggest Canadians as with Americans dont have an identity to defends is just silly. Every society has an identity and specfic people within it who wish to defend it "from change" or evolution.

Hell North American culture is perhaps some of the most pervasive on the planet.

What you might mean to say is, they don't have an antiquated culture, which is true. But its not like people from France recognize Quebecois as some sort of beacon of French culture, Id wager most look down on it.

Absolutely but nobody gives a shit about any of that because North Americans hate French Canadians. But we don't really care about anyone s opinion. We are a nice example of a nation gaining power over their destiny. We just want to be left alone, take your multiculti shit somewhere else.

What nation growing in power? You talking about a province in Canada?

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

To suggest Canadians as with Americans dont have an identity to defends is just silly. Every society has an identity and specfic people within it who wish to defend it "from change" or evolution.

Hell North American culture is perhaps some of the most pervasive on the planet.

What you might mean to say is, they don't have an antiquated culture, which is true. But its not like people from France recognize Quebecois as some sort of beacon of French culture, Id wager most look down on it.




What nation growing in power? You talking about a province in Canada?

What does France's opinion have to do with any of this? You are just being condescending, like your first post.

 

[Ayin]

To suggest Canadians as with Americans dont have an identity to defends is just silly. Every society has an identity and specfic people within it who wish to defend it "from change" or evolution.

Hell North American culture is perhaps some of the most pervasive on the planet.

What you might mean to say is, they don't have an antiquated culture, which is true. But its not like people from France recognize Quebecois as some sort of beacon of French culture, Id wager most look down on it.




What nation growing in power? You talking about a province in Canada?

Canada mid 20th century recognized that its nascent post-colonial identity was in danger of being subsumed by the US for obvious reasons. This is why there was such a strong push throughout Anglo Canada to support and protect Canadian culture seperately from the US, with one of the strongest proponents being Pierre Trudeau. During this time certain federal agencies were created, protections implemented, and goals set. Even close to the turn of the Millenium Canada was attempting to tool its education to specifically national histories and figures (ignoring both the US and our European and thus world history).

This collapsed in the new Millenium. The Canadian social left no longer defines itself through difference from the US, but effectively views itself as aligned with the US
Left in opposition of the US Right, which is used as a Bogey Man against the Canadian Right.

It’s an insane situation. We still have to follow federal Canadian Content laws that absolutely cripple, say, Classic Rock radio stations, but our PM also campaigns on his opposition to the US’ SC’s decisions on State’s Rights concerning abortion.


In regards to the “nation” comment, Quebec is recognized by the Canadian government as a nation within our Nation, with a distinct identity and a largely seperate legal system. This national identity has in the past led to attempts at secession.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Canada mid 20th century recognized that its nascent post-colonial identity was in danger of being subsumed by the US for obvious reasons. This is why there was such a strong push throughout Anglo Canada to support and protect Canadian culture seperately from the US, with one of the strongest proponents being Pierre Trudeau. During this time certain federal agencies were created, protections implemented, and goals set. Even close to the turn of the Millenium Canada was attempting to tool its education to specifically national histories and figures (ignoring both the US and our European and thus world history).

This collapsed in the new Millenium. The Canadian social left no longer defines itself through difference from the US, but effectively views itself as aligned with the US
Left in opposition of the US Right, which is used as a Bogey Man against the Canadian Right.

It’s an insane situation. We still have to follow federal Canadian Content laws that absolutely cripple, say, Classic Rock radio stations, but our PM also campaigns on his opposition to the US’ SC’s decisions on State’s Rights concerning abortion.


In regards to the “nation” comment, Quebec is recognized by the Canadian government as a nation within our Nation, with a distinct identity and a largely seperate legal system. This national identity has in the past led to attempts at secession.

You are a well informed and articulate poster.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

To suggest Canadians as with Americans dont have an identity to defends is just silly. Every society has an identity and specfic people within it who wish to defend it "from change" or evolution.

Hell North American culture is perhaps some of the most pervasive on the planet.

What you might mean to say is, they don't have an antiquated culture, which is true. But its not like people from France recognize Quebecois as some sort of beacon of French culture, Id wager most look down on it.




What nation growing in power? You talking about a province in Canada?

And by the way, two precisions:
I am not saying that Americans have no culture. I am saying that Anglo Canadians have no distinct culture from Americans, thus having no or weak identity.
Second, to claim Québec has an antiquated culture shows that your knowledge of Québec is non-existant. We are very progressive, in fact I would compare us with social democratic states of continental Europe more than US democrat party. The only thing we may seem backwards about is cultural protection but we HAVE to, otherwise we ll be swallowed in the North American melting pot.

 

[val_lixembeau]

You just admitted you want to force the homeless to hold down jobs and pay for housing and don't really care about solving homelessness as much as forcing everyone to sudmit to capitalism at gunpoint. If people refuse to live in your evil society you want them to suffer.

You want people to pay for their basic needs and if they refuse you want to punish them.

So who do you think should be paying for housing and basic needs?

If you say the government or society as a whole, then you are basically forcing taxpayers to house other people at gunpoint. No matter how you shift the cost around, *someone* has to pay, and as a principle, user pays is the most fair. How else would it work?

 

[Michaelangelo]

Is that really a correlated thing? Weed causing schizophrenic breaks

Appears it exacerbates existing schizophrenic symptoms.