Is it time to slide Charles Oliveira over Tony Ferguson in All-Time Lightweights

[bartleby929]

With his dominant win over Dariush (unbeaten 5 years), Oliveria is now back in title contention. He has a storied career just like Tony Ferguson had, a title reign where he defended the strap more times than Islam has (against Dana favorites Dustin & Justin), and all the records to back it up.

1. Khabib 2. BJ Penn 3. Frankie Edgar 4. Charles Oliveria?

 

[Question]

Huge T-Ferg fan, but Oli has been above him in terms of legacy for quite a bit of time IMO.

 

[KID Yamamoto]

He has been for a while imo. Prime Tony was always very beatable.

 

[Tweak896]

Tony had a longer streaks with less names, lost when he was older. Olivera has a shorter streak with the top of the division besides Islam. There is some sort of debate here, but Olivera proved himself with his title run. Basically cleared the top 5.

 

[Reign009]

Shouldn't he be already?

 

[Kwic]

 

[Joshuaace]

The day he beat him badly in the Cage. Long time Tony fan here btw

 

[haj02]

Tony got way further than he ever should have based on his toughness and cardio. There's a bunch of LWs that are/were better than him on paper. But based on his winning streak I'd say about 4th/5th all time in the division is fair.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Yes, Charles has way better wins than Tony.

 

[NoContest]

Why are so many people feeding the troll?

 

[bartleby929]

TF was unbeatable when he was on his winstreak that would have culminated in fighting Khabib

Back then, Do Bronx was very beatable.

I don't have recency bias unlike half the people here. I watched Ferguson's whole career and Do Bronx's whole career too.

 

[FrankDux]

Oliveira surpassed El Cucuy when he beat him heads up.

I swear...ever since the unnecessary double weight cut by Tony after the Khabib fight got cancelled in 2020, Tony has been downhill since. Age and that dumb weight cut really fucked him up. Since then, he's been 0-5.

 

[jx820]

People were ranking Tony Ferguson anywhere on the top LW all time list? I mean he had a good streak, but his biggest accomplishment was a paper belt he won over Kevin Lee. I'd put him somewhere under Sherk and Pulver.

 

[MrBlackheart]

Huge T-Ferg fan, but Oli has been above him in terms of legacy for quite a bit of time IMO.

Olivera has been above Ferguson. Being a fan on Ferguson or not is not really relevant to the ranking.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

He is way ahead

 

[bartleby929]

People were ranking Tony Ferguson anywhere on the top LW all time list? I mean he had a good streak, but his biggest accomplishment was a paper belt he won over Kevin Lee. I'd put him somewhere under Sherk and Pulver.

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[Arcticman]

More olive hype threads back after being under a rock for months, as bad as conor fans.

 

[Question]

Olivera has been above Ferguson. Being a fan on Ferguson or not is not really relevant to the ranking.

I said that because as someone who's bias due to being a big fan of Tony's career, even I can acknowledge that Oli has been above him in terms lightweight legacy for a long period of time.

 

[BJJ4Tone]

With his dominant win over Dariush (unbeaten 5 years), Oliveria is now back in title contention. He has a storied career just like Tony Ferguson had, a title reign where he defended the strap more times than Islam has (against Dana favorites Dustin & Justin), and all the records to back it up.

1. Khabib 2. BJ Penn 3. Frankie Edgar 4. Charles Oliveria?

Easily.
Charles's best wins are MUCH better than Tony's best wins.
Heck, I know he doesn't have the title defenses of BJ or Edgars, but I may even put him at #2.
He was a champion. Tony was only interim.

 

[ookii]

I thought he was already there when he beat Tony and he wasnt even champ yet