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Shogun’s career was way too peaky to be the GOAT due to health issues. He reminds me of Cain and even looks similar.
This is a fair assessmentDCs overall career is better than Shoguns but Shoguns LHW career is better than DCs LHW career.
I've always had Chuck/Wand tied in 2nd place.Was there anyone better than prime shogun at lhw who wasn't on peds or trt?
Me too.Still wonder what it would have looked like if he had faced Rashad in his first defense instead of Jones.
Have you forgotten what a bad ass young machida was? Everyone was having issues with him. Once his chin was gone the rest followed shortlyShogun was out of his prime before he even fought machida. A close fight (even if you call robbery) against a guy almost 20 pounds smaller than you is a bad look
He had already had 2 knee injuries and looked like shit against a 44 year old semi retired Coleman who gassed in the very first round. He himself gassed and this was where he tore his acl the second time
Then right after the machida rematch he tears his acl a third time and never beats any top guys again, going 3-6 over the next 3 years, 3-5-1 if you consider the first henderson fight a draw
DCs overall career is better than Shoguns but Shoguns LHW career is better than DCs LHW career.
That is nonsense. Rua beat the best to become the best in two diffferent generations. DC never actually beat the best for his titles unless he made them get eye surgery.
DCs overall career was still cleaner. He never lost to anyone like Forrest. He didn't have a bunch of embarassing losses later in his career. He was also a champion in two divisions in two different organizations with elite HW talent.
Shogun is still an all time great fighter and I like him more than I like DC but DC has one of the cleanest legacies ever.
Was there anyone better than prime shogun at lhw who wasn't on peds or trt?
2005 Shogun was a supernova, he didn't have reach advantage, size advantage, he wasn't a roid head, but he still ran through his competition via stomps & soccer kicks.
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He's the only 205 guy who's been the best LHW in MMA on 2 separate occasions.
When he won the PRIDE GP, and a few years later, when he healed his injury and beat the invincible undefeated RYOTO by decision & by KO.
Shogun is on the same list as GSP, Gomi or Fedor. Natty warriors without massive weight/height/reach advantages over the rest of their divisions, and they still made it to the top. View attachment 1034288
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Not really a good thing actually, since the ref was already dragging roided HW Jones away
Every other sport is like 500 years old.goat is being used too loosely in mma, no other sports have different names pop up in threads daily claiming goats
there should technically only be 1 goat, with 2-3 potential candidates for contention. that's what make the phrase "greatest of all time" special
having so many fighters claim goats only make the sport look amateur