Social More of a threat? Trans activists or Christian nationalists?

[Sinister]

You objected to the OK governor claiming the state belongs to God.

So that's one.

Got a second, third, and fourth?

Oh that, yeah he absolutely violated the establishment clause. Here is the full statement:

STITT: “Father, we just claim Oklahoma for you. Every square inch, we claim it for you in the name of Jesus. Father, we can do nothing apart from you. We [wind noise] battle against flesh and blood, against principalities of darkness. Father, we just come against that, we just loose your will over our state right now in the name of Jesus. … We just thank you, we claim Oklahoma for you, as the authority that I have as governor, and the spiritual authority and the physical authority that you give me. I claim Oklahoma for you, that we will be a light to our country and to the world right here on stage. We thank you that your will is done on Tuesday and, Father, that you will have your way with our state, with our education system, with everything within the walls behind me and the rooms behind me, Lord, that you will root out corruption, you will bring the right people into this building, Father, from now on.”

See that bullshit right there where he claims to be ordained by God to be a spiritual authority and is asserting said authority as Governor? Yeah DEFINITELY a violation.

Other than that there is a litany of SCOTUS cases chock full of violations. Happy hunting.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Define "citing God."

Lactate Mod getting lonely in the CTE and Low Pay forum <45>

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Oh that, yeah he absolutely violated the establishment clause. Here is the full statement:

STITT: “Father, we just claim Oklahoma for you. Every square inch, we claim it for you in the name of Jesus. Father, we can do nothing apart from you. We [wind noise] battle against flesh and blood, against principalities of darkness. Father, we just come against that, we just loose your will over our state right now in the name of Jesus. … We just thank you, we claim Oklahoma for you, as the authority that I have as governor, and the spiritual authority and the physical authority that you give me. I claim Oklahoma for you, that we will be a light to our country and to the world right here on stage. We thank you that your will is done on Tuesday and, Father, that you will have your way with our state, with our education system, with everything within the walls behind me and the rooms behind me, Lord, that you will root out corruption, you will bring the right people into this building, Father, from now on.”

See that bullshit right there where he claims to be ordained by God to be a spiritual authority and is asserting said authority as Governor? Yeah DEFINITELY a violation.

Other than that there is a litany of SCOTUS cases chock full of violations. Happy hunting.

Except claiming a politician cannot lead a public prayer because it violates the 1st amendment, also violates the 1st Amendment for free speech.

And ya know what else violates the 1st Amendment? The Declaration of Independence.

And several signers of the Constitution, including some that were later elected President and other elected positions gave their oath of office with their hand on a bible and ended the oath with 'So Help Me God.'

So... do you really think your interpretation of that segment of the constitution is as it was originally intended? Or is it just your modern interpretation thar you'd like everyone to believe is true... like how the constitution has the right to an abortion in it?

 

[mkess101]

Well i don’t know how often that happens but I think that would be concerning.
I’m talking like would you want to make Caitlin Jenner or Levine use the mens room?
Does it depend on if they fully transitioned?
Is there a pre op or post op pre check needed before bathroom privileges are given and assigned?

I don’t even want to share the bathroom with people of my own sex.

I wish every bathroom were private

I'd say it doesn't happen often as of now LOL. But you've got plenty of dudes who are all of a sudden "identifying" as female lobbying to be placed in female prisons (in some places being granted) and they aren't living their lives as women at all (some are, a lot aren't). They're just straight up saying "I'm a woman" and that's it.

And that's the issue when you just "are whatever gender you say you are" isn't it? Every single societal norm that we've established that separates people based on sex/gender is being lobbied to be gotten rid of lest we be called "bigots".

Bathrooms? I mean yeah...I agree that having every bathroom private would be ideal. But logistically that's no feasible given how we've built the modern world for the last century and a half. So to a degree, we kind of have to work with what we have.

Bathrooms are one part of a much bigger puzzle. The core question is "Does society need to flip itself on its head to cater to a small group of people"? I say, fuck no.

I absolutely don't give a shit if some dude wants to put on a wig, call himself Sally, and pretend he's a woman. Fine by me, and I wish the dude Sally all the best. If Sally is so committed as to lop off his wang and have "doctors" build him a vagina made of fish skin or whatever (assuming Sally is an adult) and he's paying for it, go get 'em Sally! Just don't expect me to actually believe you're a woman, and don't think you should be able to jump into a sporting competition with actual females and win and have society accept it as legit.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Trantifa

 

[ferrisjso]

When the history books are written about the 2020s and 2030s neither of these groups of activists are going to be seen as particularly relevant. Christianitys best days are behind it in the US. Regardless how much the right bitches about the left supposedly encouraging people to transition they remain a small percentage of even the LGBT population. The future is different factions of socialists v different factions of fascists. All culture war stuff is a distraction.

I've said the trans issue needs to be de politicized for everyone's benefit. This will ensure real trans people will be supported in their transition without persecution and it ensures no one will transition as some sort of status symbol. Unlike gays who are seeking acceptance for an alternative lifestyle the trans are trying to switch genders in the shadows and the last thing they want to do is flaunt their identity in a parade the way the gays and lesbians do. But the trans issue is too useful to capitalism as a divisive issue that doesn't effect their pockets in the slightest.

American Christianity was defeated(as a mainstream force) on the internet in the late 2010s by the internet. Going forward secularism will increasingly be the default setting of all political movements much how it is in Europe. The repeal of Roe v Wade was the culmination of a 40 year effort of the far right to takeover the justice system. It was not a movement cultivating energy in the 2020s it was a movement cultivating past effort, money and nefarious planning. Also while christians were the driving force of the federalist society movement(they were the angry people went to marches burnt things etc) the christians teamed up with the fascists the capitalists and everyone who stood to benefit from the death of substantive due process. Now that the Christians wet dream of repealing Roe has become a reality they will fade into the background while the fascists and corporations take center stage.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Trantifa

Barrack Obiden’s Anerica

 

[Mr Holmes]

 

[Thrawn33]

Damn, look what the police did to his/her face....

Oh wait...

 

[Andy Capp]

More of a threat?
People who believe transgender people are a threat? Or "Christian" nationalists? LMAO @ that term, fucking traitorous bullshit lol

 

[Loiosh]

More of a threat?
People who believe transgender people are a threat? Or "Christian" nationalists? LMAO @ that term, fucking traitorous bullshit lol

It's the exact same shit they pulled with homosexuals, dehumanize and "other". Don't you remember the prime time public service announcements about the dangers of gay predators? And how films would often make villains gay to make them more evil?

One of the most telling quotes from modern times was when the father of the guy who shot up the gay club said "whew, at least he wasn't gay."

 

[RoastBeast]

It's the exact same shit they pulled with homosexuals, dehumanize and "other". Don't you remember the prime time public service announcements about the dangers of gay predators? And how films would often make villains gay to make them more evil?

One of the most telling quotes from modern times was when the father of the guy who shot up the gay club said "whew, at least he wasn't gay."

Ever wonder why no one seemed to give a shit at all about transgendered people until about 5 or 6 years ago?

I'm sure you know the answer but like the others, you'll pretend like people just randomly woke up ready to hate on these people for no good reason.

 

[Loiosh]

Ever wonder why no one seemed to give a shit at all about transgendered people until about 5 or 6 years ago?

I'm sure you know the answer but like the others, you'll pretend like people just randomly woke up ready to hate on these people for no good reason.

The answer is that conservatives chose this as a wedge issue to energize their phobic base.

Next really stupid question please.

 

[Seano]

The answer is that conservatives chose this as a wedge issue to energize their phobic base.

Next really stupid question please.

You're so full of shit , its amazing.

 

[Loiosh]

You're so full of shit , its amazing.

Really? You're saying that this isn't a wedge issue recycling the same tired shit you guys used against the gay community?

In areas where there's a critical mass of ignorant, phobic conservatives they're already moving past the trans community and attacking gay rights.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Neither is a real threat to anything but they're both annoying as fuck.

I wouldn't let either one around my kids unsupervised.

 

[RoastBeast]

The answer is that conservatives chose this as a wedge issue to energize their phobic base.

Next really stupid question please.

Ok so it has nothing to do with them competing in women's sports, changing in female locker rooms, entering women's prisons and getting people fired for not calling them pronouns that are biologically incorrect?

 

[James Bomb]

Ok so it has nothing to do with them competing in women's sports, changing in female locker rooms, entering women's prisons and getting people fired for not calling them pronouns that are biologically incorrect?

Utah’s governor vetoed a trans sports bill when he realized there were only 4 trans athletes in the entire state, and only one of them actually competed in women’s sports.

Similar vetoes happened in North Carolina (only two trans athletes there), Kansas (only three there), Indiana, Louisiana, North Dakota, etc…

Considering that legislators in states that passed the bills couldn’t cite a single case where they were necessary, and the bills themselves are almost always ghost written by groups that are right wing legislation factories, then yeah, this is a textbook example of a bullshit wedge issue.

 

[RoastBeast]

Utah’s governor vetoed a trans sports bill when he realized there were only 4 trans athletes in the entire state, and only one of them actually competed in women’s sports.

Similar vetoes happened in North Carolina (only two trans athletes there), Kansas (only three there), Indiana, Louisiana, North Dakota, etc…

Considering that legislators in states that passed the bills couldn’t cite a single case where they were necessary, and the bills themselves are almost always ghost written by groups that are right wing legislation factories, then yeah, this is a textbook example of a bullshit wedge issue.

The amount of men competing in women's sports should be zero.

The amount of men changing in female locker rooms should be zero.

The amount of men in female prisons should be zero.

The amount of people who should be forced to pretend that people are the opposite sex should be zero.

 

[RemyR]

It's really hard to for me to pick one over the other. But if I was forced to probably the trans activists simply because Christian nationalists are largely looked at as crazy (rightfully so) and the trans activists are looked at as "brave"