Social More of a threat? Trans activists or Christian nationalists?

[James Bomb]

The amount of men competing in women's sports should be zero.

The amount of men changing in female locker rooms should be zero.

The amount of men in female prisons should be zero.

The amount of people who should be forced to pretend that people are the opposite sex should be zero.

The amount of well-paid legislators wasting their time on nonsense like this to appease worker bee dipshits like you should be zero.

People said that these laws were going to lead to even worse behavior from right wing zealots, and that’s exactly where it went.

 

[James Bomb]

When the history books are written about the 2020s and 2030s neither of these groups of activists are going to be seen as particularly relevant. Christianitys best days are behind it in the US. Regardless how much the right bitches about the left supposedly encouraging people to transition they remain a small percentage of even the LGBT population. The future is different factions of socialists v different factions of fascists. All culture war stuff is a distraction.

I've said the trans issue needs to be de politicized for everyone's benefit. This will ensure real trans people will be supported in their transition without persecution and it ensures no one will transition as some sort of status symbol. Unlike gays who are seeking acceptance for an alternative lifestyle the trans are trying to switch genders in the shadows and the last thing they want to do is flaunt their identity in a parade the way the gays and lesbians do. But the trans issue is too useful to capitalism as a divisive issue that doesn't effect their pockets in the slightest.

American Christianity was defeated(as a mainstream force) on the internet in the late 2010s by the internet. Going forward secularism will increasingly be the default setting of all political movements much how it is in Europe. The repeal of Roe v Wade was the culmination of a 40 year effort of the far right to takeover the justice system. It was not a movement cultivating energy in the 2020s it was a movement cultivating past effort, money and nefarious planning. Also while christians were the driving force of the federalist society movement(they were the angry people went to marches burnt things etc) the christians teamed up with the fascists the capitalists and everyone who stood to benefit from the death of substantive due process. Now that the Christians wet dream of repealing Roe has become a reality they will fade into the background while the fascists and corporations take center stage.

The far right has already lost the under 40 crowd, and outside of Tater tots and edgelord gamers that get off on shouting racial slurs, there’s almost no hope for the far right in the younger generations that will be eligible to vote soon. Younger people tend to drop out of organized religion and they already see lgbtq issues as human rights and not fodder for political stunts.

 

[RoastBeast]

The amount of well-paid legislators wasting their time on nonsense like this to appease worker bee dipshits like you should be zero.

People said that these laws were going to lead to even worse behavior from right wing zealots, and that’s exactly where it went.

Yeah not wanting crossdressing men in women's and children's spaces is such crazy behavior.

 

[Miokink026]

Yeah not wanting crossdressing men in women's and children's spaces is such crazy behavior.

Notice how they actually answered none of your points? Simply ask them whether they agree to even one of what you mentioned and they'll fall apart.

Besides, these laws shouldn't have been there in the first place because it used to be common sense that men shouldn't be in women's bathrooms, or that men are stronger than women but these days kids are too afraid to (or brainwashed) to speak up.

 

[chardog]

The answer is that conservatives chose this as a wedge issue to energize their phobic base.

Next really stupid question please.

it has nothing to do with NPC marching orders

 

[RoastBeast]

Notice how they actually answered none of your points? Simply ask them whether they agree to even one of what you mentioned and they'll fall apart.

Besides, these laws shouldn't have been there in the first place because it used to be common sense that men shouldn't be in women's bathrooms, or that men are stronger than women but these days kids are too afraid to (or brainwashed) to speak up.

Yeah they just breeze right by that stuff because anything other than agreement on it makes you seem like you're crazy.

Spot on. I've mad the same argument before. None of these laws were necessary in the past because people had respect for each other and could police themselves in these situations. A man in a woman's changing area would be kicked out and possibly arrested. These days reporting them will get you doxxed, smeared by the media and potentially fired. All of which is perfectly okay to the radical liberal type because the feelings of cross dressing men are more important than the feelings of women and underage girls.

 

[blaseblase]

The overturning of Roe v Wade has affected far more people than trans activists on Twitter. I've only ran into a trans person a handful of times outside of the internet and I live in a liberal area.

 

[Limeade]

Never forgot these events.

Timothy McVey bombed the Oklahoma City Federal building in 1995. He was inspired by the events at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Eric Rudolph and his serial bombings in 1996 and 1997.

Oh and I forgot Paul Jenning Hill assassination of Doctor John Britton.

Each of these murderers were part of the Christian Nationalist identity movement.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We must remain vigilant against this threat but also honor and remember the fallen.

 

[Scheme]

Never forgot these events.

Timothy McVey bombed the Oklahoma City Federal building in 1995. He was inspired by the events at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Eric Rudolph and his serial bombings in 1996 and 1997.

Oh and I forgot Paul Jenning Hill assassination of Doctor John Britton.

Each of these murderers were part of the Christian Nationalist identity movement.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We must remain vigilant against this threat but also honor and remember the fallen.

Christian terrorism in the past few decades has killed as many people as a weekend or two in Chicago. It's simply not an issue in the grand scheme of America. Anyone trying to tell you that it is is simply fearmongering.

 

[jefferz]

Utah’s governor vetoed a trans sports bill when he realized there were only 4 trans athletes in the entire state, and only one of them actually competed in women’s sports.

Similar vetoes happened in North Carolina (only two trans athletes there), Kansas (only three there), Indiana, Louisiana, North Dakota, etc…

Considering that legislators in states that passed the bills couldn’t cite a single case where they were necessary, and the bills themselves are almost always ghost written by groups that are right wing legislation factories, then yeah, this is a textbook example of a bullshit wedge issue.

North Dakota was so busy with the outrage bills that they violated the state constitution.


BISMARCK — The North Dakota Supreme Court has struck down a legislative budget bill that appropriated millions of dollars to various government functions, a move that will send legislators back to the state Capitol to redo the bill.
In a unanimous decision published Thursday, Sept. 28, justices ruled that Senate Bill 2015 violated the North Dakota Constitution because it did not solely focus on the budget for the Office of Management and Budget. Also known as the single subject rule, the North Dakota Constitution says a bill cannot cover more than one subject.
The ruling means the OMB budgetary bill, which allocated roughly $322 million for the 2023-25 biennium to various government agencies and initiatives, is voided. The Supreme Court ordered the bill cannot be enforced.
“Invalidation of SB 2015 as a whole is required here because we do not know which provisions were primary and which were secondary, or whether the bill would have been enacted absent the presence of any of the many sections,” Justice Daniel Crothers wrote in the opinion.

Roughly $141 million allocated in the bill comes from the general fund to the OMB budget. That includes agency salaries and wages, operating expenses, Prairie Public broadcasting and the governor's emergency education relief fund. It also allows one-time spending for special assessments on State Capitol grounds, legislative wing ventilation improvements and the governor's residence updates, among other things.
https://www.inforum.com/news/north-...kely-sending-legislators-into-special-session

 

[Limeade]

Christian terrorism in the past few decades has killed as many people as a weekend or two in Chicago. It's simply not an issue in the grand scheme of America. Anyone trying to tell you that it is is simply fearmongering.

Robert Bowes targeted the Tree of Life synagogue and killed 11 people.

John Timothy Earnest attacked the Poway synagogue, killing an old lady and shooting a room full of children.

Both men supported the Christian Nationalist and white supremacy movement, claiming a Jewish plot and white replacement theory. In particular, John Earnest claimed he was responding to a meticulously planned genocide of the European race. He also claimed responsibility for a previous bombing of a mosque.

We can go over many other examples, but it's a real threat.

What happened in Chicago? I liked Chicago when I visited, hung out by the river and was it Grant Park?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Robert Bowes targeted the Tree of Life synagogue and killed 11 people.

John Timothy Earnest attacked the Poway synagogue, killing an old lady and shooting a room full of children.

Both men supported the Christian Nationalist and white supremacy movement, claiming a Jewish plot and white replacement theory. In particular, John Earnest claimed he was responding to a meticulously planned genocide of the European race. He also claimed responsibility for a previous bombing of a mosque.

We can go over many other examples, but it's a real threat.

What happened in Chicago? I liked Chicago when I visited, hung out by the river and was it Grant Park?

What happened in Chicago? Is that a joke?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Timothy McVey bombed the Oklahoma City Federal building in 1995. He was inspired by the events at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

So in other words OKC was blowback for the three letter agencies attacking the civilians they were sworn to protect?

Violence begets violence.

 

[Last Falconry]

actual timothy mcveigh apologia. this is insane

 

[Scheme]

Robert Bowes targeted the Tree of Life synagogue and killed 11 people.

John Timothy Earnest attacked the Poway synagogue, killing an old lady and shooting a room full of children.

Both men supported the Christian Nationalist and white supremacy movement, claiming a Jewish plot and white replacement theory. In particular, John Earnest claimed he was responding to a meticulously planned genocide of the European race. He also claimed responsibility for a previous bombing of a mosque.

We can go over many other examples, but it's a real threat.

What happened in Chicago? I liked Chicago when I visited, hung out by the river and was it Grant Park?

If you want to scare some housewives then sure. But the numbers simply don't pan out to it being an issue in America, especially given the amount of Christians in America. There have probably been around 400 million Christians in America in the past few decades and there are maybe 200 murders in the name of 'Christian nationalism'. That's about 130x less than the odds of getting struck by lightning. Are you walking around being worried about getting struck by lightning, and if so, would you be scared if that probability was 130x less probable?

 

[emefer]

Yeah not wanting crossdressing men in women's and children's spaces is such crazy behavior.

So what bathroom should a cross dressing man use?

 

[RoastBeast]

So what bathroom should a cross dressing man use?

The men's bathroom. Because he's a man.

 

[emefer]

The men's bathroom. Because he's a man.

How does a little boy react to a woman (man in woman’s clothes) in the men’s room?

 

[DizzyDaze]

As a simple man... fuck both sides.

 

[RoastBeast]

How does a little boy react to a woman (man in woman’s clothes) in the men’s room?

The boy is not reacting to a woman, he's reacting to a man wearing women's clothes.

His reaction is the same as the rest of us. Usually finding it a combination of funny, weird and sad.