Social New Jordan Peterson Book made Penguin's SJWs Burst Into Tears

Jack V Savage said:
I think we can all agree that everyone has the God-given right to be published by their preferred publishing house, and employees should not be allowed to criticize their bosses or have any input into the direction of their company. That's the True Liberal Position.
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I've pointed out to a couple people that the logical consequence of their ideas on this is that Sherdog would be committing a crime by deleting and disallowing white supremacist stuff here. I can't remember who, but I didn't get disagreement or reconsideration from them.

(and yes it's also horrifying from a labor standpoint, like insane-bad)
 
I can’t imagine taking life advice from a drug-addled, pompous pseudo-intellectual whose intellectual bona fides are just re-hashing Jungian ideas from 100 years ago.
 
I don't see him as being that far right, and the ad hominem attacks being used to muffle his voice are pretty gross.

Wtih that said, being familar with some of his work, I find him publishing a self help book at this point to be absurdly hypocritical.

If you are going to tell young people they can't take part in important discussions about the world until they have their own lives together (the clean your room principal), maybe you need a bit more space separating you from your drug induced implosion before you start doling out any more advice.
 
JohnnySagebrush said:
I can’t imagine taking life advice from a drug-addled, pompous pseudo-intellectual whose intellectual bona fides are just re-hashing Jungian ideas from 100 years ago.
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He gives their right-wing bullshit the veneer of intellectualism. They're so used to passing around memes and repeating the same platitudes that along comes this self-help guru using some big words they don't understand and he's their answer to liberals who have looked down on them for being yokels.

Wash your penis! Clean your room! Stand up straight! Postmodern neo-Marxists want to destroy western civilization!
 
While I think that the controversy around Peterson was always overblown (and I think he’s now largely forgotten), this isn’t a freedom of speech issue like some in this thread are making it out to be. A publishing house isn’t under an obligation to publish anything. Their obligation is to make profit, like any business. Parallel to that, there are other obligations, like employee safety, adhering to laws and regulations, etc. If penguin house actually chose not to publish this book, it wouldn’t be stifling Peterson’s freedom of speech (a private business can’t stifle his right to freedom of speech, only the government can), it would simply be a strategic choice the publishing house is absolutely within its rights to make, just like another publishing house would be free to publish the book instead.
 
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whippersnapper said:
Leftists hate free speech and Jordan Peterson
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I'm pretty far left, and I found a lot of what he was saying really interesting and worthwhile. I found a lot of his critics were more focused on him or how they felt about what he was saying than the merits of his arguments. Which is also not to say Im one of his fan girls or I don't think he's often wrong.
 
jodan peterson is low-rent, and i dont care about nobodies on social media. why is this a thread?
 
Sisyphos said:
The "True Liberal Position" is pretty much only followed in the United States.
Currently, in places like Canada and other countries (Germany), there is a list of banned books for sale.
Mostly right-wing political books, especially National-Socialist Germany era books. Far left books are fine though.
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That was a joke. Obviously it's dumb to think that liberalism means that every publisher has to publish every book or that employees can't have an opinion about whether the company they work for is doing the right thing.
 
Sisyphos said:
Technically, freedom of speech means allowing the book publishing to go on unopposed, and for the ideas contained within the book to be refuted in a civil forum.

Opposing the release of a book is undemocratic. It's trying to silence thought without addressing the argument contained in the book. It's all part of left wing cancel culture stating that silencing people & books/media is better than debating them.
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Technically freedom of speech means that the employees can criticize the decision and that you can criticize their criticism, etc. Freedom of speech as defined by rightist morons here = liberals have to be quiet. Also note how no rightist here is actually engaging with the points. And generally, rightists in the WR never actually discuss points.
 
Sketch said:
What’s his book about? Cleaning your room while high on pills with your pet lobster?
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See, I'd read that.

But as far his self-help advice goes... I'm going to take a pass.
 
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Technically freedom of speech means that the employees can criticize the decision and that you can criticize their criticism, etc. Freedom of speech as defined by rightist morons here = liberals have to be quiet. Also note how no rightist here is actually engaging with the points. And generally, rightists in the WR never actually discuss points.
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The point is the book should be published.
These people oppose the publishing of a book. This is antidemocratic.
Unless the book contains incitement to genocide or child pornography, it should be published.

These employees should be fired and go back on welfare. They can find meaningful employment at a leftist minded company, if that exists.
 
Sisyphos said:
The "True Liberal Position" is pretty much only followed in the United States.
Currently, in places like Canada and other countries (Germany), there is a list of banned books for sale.
Mostly right-wing political books, especially National-Socialist Germany era books. Far left books are fine though.
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Can you buy Mein Kampf in bookstores in the US?
 
HOLA said:
He gives their right-wing bullshit the veneer of intellectualism. They're so used to passing around memes and repeating the same platitudes that along comes this self-help guru using some big words they don't understand and he's their answer to liberals who have looked down on them for being yokels.

Wash your penis! Clean your room! Stand up straight! Postmodern neo-Marxists want to destroy western civilization!
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Yeah the guy is such a boring hack and his voice is annoying as fuck.

His whole shtick is to claim to be an intellectual and above the partisan political mess of identity politics. Then outline his bog-standard Christian Conservative world-view with all the talking points of one side of the partisan political mess of identity politics.
 
Sisyphos said:
The point is the book should be published.
These people oppose the publishing of a book. This is antidemocratic.
Unless the book contains incitement to genocide or child pornography, it should be published.

These employees should be fired and go back on welfare. They can find meaningful employment at a leftist minded company, if that exists.
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1. Stopping the book from being published at all would be unacceptable and would probably require the gov't, as even self-publishing is an option.
2. Workers opposing their own employer publishing it is not a free-speech issue at all.
3. Firing employees for expressing an opinion you don't like is more illiberal than their position.

Again, no rightists here are even engaging with the reality of the situation, and my guess is that none will.
 
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