Every event has been really good minus Robin Black. Lol
I'm too tired to read the rest of the thread, but don't you think that "special" brain may have contributed to his ridiculous feats? Of course he would have to do a 180 to be consistent, but still.If he had a completely different brain, yes. One of the hardest hitters of his weight classes history. Drug problems and mental illness triumph over raw talent or physical prowess most of the time.
He Ko'd KJ Noons for us. HOF worthy right there.
Dave Herman was another. He was kind of a freak athlete who made the Indiana D-1 wrestling team without ever wrestling in high school. He mostly trained in his garage and was 21-2 when he came to the UFC. (One loss a DQ against Sokoudjou in a fight he was winning and another loss in a fight he was dominating but totally gassed--a sign of his lack of serious training). There was a video of him outrunning an NFL running back in foot race on the streets of Nashville. But he was a headcase who never learned very basic boxing and striking defense, preferring instead to make up his own kung fu movie kicks (see his fight with Ron Waterman). The fancy/unorthodox stuff would've been a good addition if he was more grounded in fundamentals.for sure, he had the athleticism that could make a real difference. just not the guidance or drive to stay focused.
- charles bennet
- melvin guillard
- michael johnson
- bobby greene
all could be potential title contenders, just didn't add up that way for some reason.
The difference was Masvidal wasn't on hard drugs (I don't think) and finally started to take the sport seriously in his 30s when he KO'd Till, Nate, Cerrone and Askren. But it was too late and he couldn't deal with the best WW grapplers nor a puzzle like Wonderboy.basically, the masvidal of the time, had some moments, doubt he would crack top 5
Too bad we never had a backstage fight between Krazy Horse and Lee "I'm Still in Prison" Murray, who allegedly KO'd Tito in a street fight.No. He was athletic and had good power in his hands. That's about it. He lacked discipline, brains, a chin, and any kind of grappling or sub defense.
His only notable wins are the KO over Noons which would probably never happen again if they fought 30 more times, and a KO over Yoshiro Maeda who was a career 135er and was vastly outsized in their fight.
He's more known for KOing Wanderlei backstage in PRIDE than he is for anything he ever did inside the ring/cage.
His style, yes, would have been toned down, but the power is there regardless of the brain. Guy was a heavy hitter.I'm too tired to read the rest of the thread, but don't you think that "special" brain may have contributed to his ridiculous feats? Of course he would have to do a 180 to be consistent, but still.
Like, that 1080° slam against the cage. Wut. Who does that?
Guy had a ton of potential and God given talent. Too bad he threw it all away.
My good friend was a CO in Santa Rosa co. During Crazy Horses stay there. My buddy said he was a cool dude every time they talked.
And all black... There something you tryna say?for sure, he had the athleticism that could make a real difference. just not the guidance or drive to stay focused.
- charles bennet
- melvin guillard
- michael johnson
- bobby greene
all could be potential title contenders, just didn't add up that way for some reason.
damn, busting out the old names there! great post, i remember dave herman and the hype surrounding him as well. sokoudjou, agreed. dude was on absolute fire until he wasn't. tank abbott too. A++Dave Herman was another. He was kind of a freak athlete who made the Indiana D-1 wrestling team without ever wrestling in high school. He mostly trained in his garage and was 21-2 when he came to the UFC. (One loss a DQ against Sokoudjou in a fight he was winning and another loss in a fight he was dominating but totally gassed--a sign of his lack of serious training). There was a video of him outrunning an NFL running back in foot race on the streets of Nashville. But he was a headcase who never learned very basic boxing and striking defense, preferring instead to make up his own kung fu movie kicks (see his fight with Ron Waterman). The fancy/unorthodox stuff would've been a good addition if he was more grounded in fundamentals.
Come to think of it, Sokoudjou may have been another--KO power in his hands and feet and good judo, but not much else. He had the athletic ability and potential to be really good with more well-rounded training. I'm not sure if he or his training schools or both were at fault. He never evolved from the guy who KO'd prime Arona and Lil Nog but then got exposed by Machida.
I'd also add Tank Abbott as he was very strong when he started (watch him in 1995, not 2005), had an All-American juco wrestling background and at least a little boxing training with Roy Nelson-like KO power. That was a good combo for the early days of NHB. Like Herman, though, he liked to brag about how little he trained and how he'd come straight off barstools for a fight.
sokoudjou and pete spratt too. they all clearly possess speed, power, athleticism, and the tools for success. what i'm saying is they're gifted af. some achieved higher accolades than others. but they could all have been/be champions easily IMO. melvin was on that track for a little bit when he started training with greg jackson. just a lot of what ifs.And all black... There something you tryna say?
I get ya brother. Just messing with yasokoudjou and pete spratt too. they all clearly possess speed, power, athleticism, and the tools for success. what i'm saying is they're gifted af. some achieved higher accolades than others. but they could all have been/be champions easily IMO. melvin was on that track for a little bit when he started training with greg jackson. just a lot of what ifs.
for sure bro! no worries manI get ya brother. Just messing with ya
I completely forgot about Dave Herman, wasn't he one of those guys that said BJJ doesn't work? I remember the hype around him as well, and remember him looking like a completely different person when he came to one fight all tan, hairy, and shaggy.Dave Herman was another. He was kind of a freak athlete who made the Indiana D-1 wrestling team without ever wrestling in high school. He mostly trained in his garage and was 21-2 when he came to the UFC. (One loss a DQ against Sokoudjou in a fight he was winning and another loss in a fight he was dominating but totally gassed--a sign of his lack of serious training). There was a video of him outrunning an NFL running back in foot race on the streets of Nashville. But he was a headcase who never learned very basic boxing and striking defense, preferring instead to make up his own kung fu movie kicks (see his fight with Ron Waterman). The fancy/unorthodox stuff would've been a good addition if he was more grounded in fundamentals.
Come to think of it, Sokoudjou may have been another--KO power in his hands and feet and good judo, but not much else. He had the athletic ability and potential to be really good with more well-rounded training. I'm not sure if he or his training schools or both were at fault. He never evolved from the guy who KO'd prime Arona and Lil Nog but then got exposed by Machida.
I'd also add Tank Abbott as he was very strong when he started (watch him in 1995, not 2005), had an All-American juco wrestling background and at least a little boxing training with Roy Nelson-like KO power. That was a good combo for the early days of NHB. Like Herman, though, he liked to brag about how little he trained and how he'd come straight off barstools for a fight.