Older MMA Fans, did Crazy Horse Bennett have potential to be a threat in the UFC?

[Afrikan]

He Ko'd KJ Noons for us. HOF worthy right there.

 

[Simple Southerner]

 

[Cobra 03]

I don't think so. The guy was a loose cannon and didn't have the smarts or disipline to be a serious threat. If he stopped acting the fool, and took fighting serious, he may have been a top 5 or 10 guy, but no better.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Every event has been really good minus Robin Black. Lol

HA! I could never stand a second of that guy, but during the event him just waffling on was ok, entertaining even lol!

BTW... that new AV - do not like

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Crazy horse was willing to fight anyone and everyone but that's pretty much the extent of it. To this day I never understood how he was able to land some of these matches lol. I guess a highlight reel against nobodies in KOTC was enough to propel him. That and maybe the whole legendary Wandy/Chute box story

Melvin guillard is probably a better example of wasted potential/drug use

 

[NoSmilez]

Not really. He was the definition of a journeyman.

 

[GiganticMeat]

If he had a completely different brain, yes. One of the hardest hitters of his weight classes history. Drug problems and mental illness triumph over raw talent or physical prowess most of the time.

I'm too tired to read the rest of the thread, but don't you think that "special" brain may have contributed to his ridiculous feats? Of course he would have to do a 180 to be consistent, but still.

Like, that 1080° slam against the cage. Wut. Who does that?

 

[welcometohavoc]

He Ko'd KJ Noons for us. HOF worthy right there.

No. Just a weirdo with more antics than discipline

 

[mkt]

for sure, he had the athleticism that could make a real difference. just not the guidance or drive to stay focused.
- charles bennet
- melvin guillard
- michael johnson
- bobby greene
all could be potential title contenders, just didn't add up that way for some reason.

Dave Herman was another. He was kind of a freak athlete who made the Indiana D-1 wrestling team without ever wrestling in high school. He mostly trained in his garage and was 21-2 when he came to the UFC. (One loss a DQ against Sokoudjou in a fight he was winning and another loss in a fight he was dominating but totally gassed--a sign of his lack of serious training). There was a video of him outrunning an NFL running back in foot race on the streets of Nashville. But he was a headcase who never learned very basic boxing and striking defense, preferring instead to make up his own kung fu movie kicks (see his fight with Ron Waterman). The fancy/unorthodox stuff would've been a good addition if he was more grounded in fundamentals.

Come to think of it, Sokoudjou may have been another--KO power in his hands and feet and good judo, but not much else. He had the athletic ability and potential to be really good with more well-rounded training. I'm not sure if he or his training schools or both were at fault. He never evolved from the guy who KO'd prime Arona and Lil Nog but then got exposed by Machida.

I'd also add Tank Abbott as he was very strong when he started (watch him in 1995, not 2005), had an All-American juco wrestling background and at least a little boxing training with Roy Nelson-like KO power. That was a good combo for the early days of NHB. Like Herman, though, he liked to brag about how little he trained and how he'd come straight off barstools for a fight.

 

[mkt]

basically, the masvidal of the time, had some moments, doubt he would crack top 5

The difference was Masvidal wasn't on hard drugs (I don't think) and finally started to take the sport seriously in his 30s when he KO'd Till, Nate, Cerrone and Askren. But it was too late and he couldn't deal with the best WW grapplers nor a puzzle like Wonderboy.

 

[mkt]

No. He was athletic and had good power in his hands. That's about it. He lacked discipline, brains, a chin, and any kind of grappling or sub defense.

His only notable wins are the KO over Noons which would probably never happen again if they fought 30 more times, and a KO over Yoshiro Maeda who was a career 135er and was vastly outsized in their fight.

He's more known for KOing Wanderlei backstage in PRIDE than he is for anything he ever did inside the ring/cage.

Too bad we never had a backstage fight between Krazy Horse and Lee "I'm Still in Prison" Murray, who allegedly KO'd Tito in a street fight.

Murray is another fighter with a lot of potential but had too much craziness and criminal activity to reach it.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

I'm too tired to read the rest of the thread, but don't you think that "special" brain may have contributed to his ridiculous feats? Of course he would have to do a 180 to be consistent, but still.

Like, that 1080° slam against the cage. Wut. Who does that?

His style, yes, would have been toned down, but the power is there regardless of the brain. Guy was a heavy hitter.

 

[FEDORFAN44]

Guy had a ton of potential and God given talent. Too bad he threw it all away.

My good friend was a CO in Santa Rosa co. During Crazy Horses stay there. My buddy said he was a cool dude every time they talked.

Didn't know he did time at Santa rosa.i did some time there during my bid for weed charges.worked all over jay,Navarre,and couple other spots. Edit: just looked him up and he would've been there around the same time as me.do you know if he was at the main unit or annex?

 

[Haj01]

for sure, he had the athleticism that could make a real difference. just not the guidance or drive to stay focused.
- charles bennet
- melvin guillard
- michael johnson
- bobby greene
all could be potential title contenders, just didn't add up that way for some reason.

And all black... There something you tryna say?

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Dave Herman was another. He was kind of a freak athlete who made the Indiana D-1 wrestling team without ever wrestling in high school. He mostly trained in his garage and was 21-2 when he came to the UFC. (One loss a DQ against Sokoudjou in a fight he was winning and another loss in a fight he was dominating but totally gassed--a sign of his lack of serious training). There was a video of him outrunning an NFL running back in foot race on the streets of Nashville. But he was a headcase who never learned very basic boxing and striking defense, preferring instead to make up his own kung fu movie kicks (see his fight with Ron Waterman). The fancy/unorthodox stuff would've been a good addition if he was more grounded in fundamentals.

Come to think of it, Sokoudjou may have been another--KO power in his hands and feet and good judo, but not much else. He had the athletic ability and potential to be really good with more well-rounded training. I'm not sure if he or his training schools or both were at fault. He never evolved from the guy who KO'd prime Arona and Lil Nog but then got exposed by Machida.

I'd also add Tank Abbott as he was very strong when he started (watch him in 1995, not 2005), had an All-American juco wrestling background and at least a little boxing training with Roy Nelson-like KO power. That was a good combo for the early days of NHB. Like Herman, though, he liked to brag about how little he trained and how he'd come straight off barstools for a fight.

damn, busting out the old names there! great post, i remember dave herman and the hype surrounding him as well. sokoudjou, agreed. dude was on absolute fire until he wasn't. tank abbott too. A++

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

And all black... There something you tryna say?

sokoudjou and pete spratt too. they all clearly possess speed, power, athleticism, and the tools for success. what i'm saying is they're gifted af. some achieved higher accolades than others. but they could all have been/be champions easily IMO. melvin was on that track for a little bit when he started training with greg jackson. just a lot of what ifs.

 

[Haj01]

sokoudjou and pete spratt too. they all clearly possess speed, power, athleticism, and the tools for success. what i'm saying is they're gifted af. some achieved higher accolades than others. but they could all have been/be champions easily IMO. melvin was on that track for a little bit when he started training with greg jackson. just a lot of what ifs.

I get ya brother. Just messing with ya

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

I get ya brother. Just messing with ya

for sure bro! no worries man

 

[italiamusica]

Dave Herman was another. He was kind of a freak athlete who made the Indiana D-1 wrestling team without ever wrestling in high school. He mostly trained in his garage and was 21-2 when he came to the UFC. (One loss a DQ against Sokoudjou in a fight he was winning and another loss in a fight he was dominating but totally gassed--a sign of his lack of serious training). There was a video of him outrunning an NFL running back in foot race on the streets of Nashville. But he was a headcase who never learned very basic boxing and striking defense, preferring instead to make up his own kung fu movie kicks (see his fight with Ron Waterman). The fancy/unorthodox stuff would've been a good addition if he was more grounded in fundamentals.

Come to think of it, Sokoudjou may have been another--KO power in his hands and feet and good judo, but not much else. He had the athletic ability and potential to be really good with more well-rounded training. I'm not sure if he or his training schools or both were at fault. He never evolved from the guy who KO'd prime Arona and Lil Nog but then got exposed by Machida.

I'd also add Tank Abbott as he was very strong when he started (watch him in 1995, not 2005), had an All-American juco wrestling background and at least a little boxing training with Roy Nelson-like KO power. That was a good combo for the early days of NHB. Like Herman, though, he liked to brag about how little he trained and how he'd come straight off barstools for a fight.

I completely forgot about Dave Herman, wasn't he one of those guys that said BJJ doesn't work? I remember the hype around him as well, and remember him looking like a completely different person when he came to one fight all tan, hairy, and shaggy.

 

[TITS]

Charles Bennett is a bum of the lowest order. He should never be sanctioned to fight again. Anyone signing a contract to fight him within the last 7 years should be ashamed of themselves and is a bum just like him, only slightly above his level of bumness.