I don't know man. I just saw a pretty awesome Wesson 1911 / 2011. I agree there's not a ton of innovation but how do you improve on perfection?thanks but I should have been cleared. I meant was there any new pistols in chambered in 45. Didn’t see a single single stack 45 other than high end 1911. Almost like the gun manufacturers gave up on it and only making Mirco 9
I went to few stores this morning and didn’t anything new for the 45. everything was micro 9. What is new with the .45 in subcompact. Where are the single stack 45s
The body armour their wearing would laugh at the .45 and probably be more intimidated by a 9mm travelling at near twice the velocity though.Today's Youth can't handle the Masculinity of the 45. That's why they're all 9s.
If they tried to shoot one they'd walk away like this:
The body armour their wearing would laugh at the .45 and probably be more intimidated by a 9mm travelling at near twice the velocity though.
You forget you're talking to a .44 magnum fan
You goons under the misconception there's no such thing beyond standard ball ammo in 45..
I think the biggest issue with the 45, other than size reducing it's capacity, is not that it can't be made more powerful, its that most shooters nowadays won't put in or can't afford the extra amount of training necessary to deal with the recoil associated with said extra power.
I have 225grn bullets going 1075 fps in an XD45, but it's taken an extra 1000 rnds of practice to adjust and bring the shots back into competitive times with it.
I have 200grn bullets going 1100-1200fps depending how much powder I want to splurge out of a 2inch barrel on a carry comp 1911. (You wouldn't want to shoot that stuff in Commander or regular gov't models)
Those are numbers within the realm of 40s and some 10mms, (until you start hot loading the 10mm) All of those take more effort to deal with the recoil.
Nobody wants to factory ammo 45 like that, cause it competes with other shit they sell, and recoils more than the customer base wants to deal with.
They've had to come up with something to help 9mms though cause it's working with less potential.
It's too bad, instead of 9mms there weren't just 38 supers. Had that been more prevalent there prolly would be a need to make 40s and 10mms
http://www.ballistics101.com/38_super.php
You forget you're talking to a .44 magnum fan
This is become a habit but I agree with most of your post.
You goons under the misconception there's no such thing beyond standard ball ammo in 45..
I think the biggest issue with the 45, other than size reducing it's capacity, is not that it can't be made more powerful, its that most shooters nowadays won't put in or can't afford the extra amount of training necessary to deal with the recoil associated with said extra power.
I have 225grn bullets going 1075 fps in an XD45, but it's taken an extra 1000 rnds of practice to adjust and bring the shots back into competitive times with it.
I have 200grn bullets going 1100-1200fps depending how much powder I want to splurge out of a 2inch barrel on a carry comp 1911. (You wouldn't want to shoot that stuff in Commander or regular gov't models)
Those are numbers within the realm of 40s and some 10mms, (until you start hot loading the 10mm) All of those take more effort to deal with the recoil.
Nobody wants to factory ammo 45 like that, cause it competes with other shit they sell, and recoils more than the customer base wants to deal with.
They've had to come up with something to help 9mms though cause it's working with less potential.
It's too bad, instead of 9mms there weren't just 38 supers. Had that been more prevalent there prolly would be a need to make 40s and 10mms
http://www.ballistics101.com/38_super.php
This is become a habit but I agree with most of your post.
That said, most people aren't buying guns as a hobby. Rather, its a tool that serves a purpose. For the former, .45 / 10mm / 30-super / etc etc etc are fun calibers to play with. For the latter, 9mm is more then adequate for the job.
Let's face reality. 99% of the time anyone that's had to use their weapon in a real setting has had to do it at 10-20yds. from an attacker. 1 or 2 shots with a 9mm center-mass will drop all except the most methed out attackers like a bag of shit.
This is become a habit but I agree with most of your post.
That said, most people aren't buying guns as a hobby. Rather, its a tool that serves a purpose. For the former, .45 / 10mm / 30-super / etc etc etc are fun calibers to play with. For the latter, 9mm is more then adequate for the job.
Let's face reality. 99% of the time anyone that's had to use their weapon in a real setting has had to do it at 10-20yds. from an attacker. 1 or 2 shots with a 9mm center-mass will drop all except the most methed out attackers like a bag of shit.
best gun is the one you have on u.
so I agree the 9mm or even .380 is mostly to be carried due to is smaller size and larger capacity but even the army went 9mm and I never understood that cause they are gonna be carry full size and the .45 seems perfect for them. So why did they switch
thanks but I should have been cleared. I meant, is there any new pistols in chambered in 45. Didn’t see a single single stack 45 other than high end 1911. Almost like the gun manufacturers gave up on it and only making Mirco 9
there is really nothing a guy shooting a .45 can do, that he wouldnt do faster and better with a 9mm. Thats not even hyperbole, its statistically verifiable fact by now. Im a big 10mm fan but i only carry in woods carry for situations where the penetration value is an absolute must have. Against a man sized threat? the ability to score rapid accurate shots is the single biggest determinant to effectiveness and repeated training experience has show that no matter HOW well trained a person is in any caliber, the easier to shoot caliber will when in that metric. 9mm is close enough to .45 in trauma performance that the better recoil characteristics give it a big lead.
You goons under the misconception there's no such thing beyond standard ball ammo in 45..
I think the biggest issue with the 45, other than size reducing it's capacity, is not that it can't be made more powerful, its that most shooters nowadays won't put in or can't afford the extra amount of training necessary to deal with the recoil associated with said extra power.
I have 225grn bullets going 1075 fps in an XD45, but it's taken an extra 1000 rnds of practice to adjust and bring the shots back into competitive times with it.
I have 200grn bullets going 1100-1200fps depending how much powder I want to splurge out of a 2inch barrel on a carry comp 1911. (You wouldn't want to shoot that stuff in Commander or regular gov't models)
Those are numbers within the realm of 40s and some 10mms, (until you start hot loading the 10mm) All of those take more effort to deal with the recoil.
Nobody wants to factory ammo 45 like that, cause it competes with other shit they sell, and recoils more than the customer base wants to deal with.
They've had to come up with something to help 9mms though cause it's working with less potential.
It's too bad, instead of 9mms there weren't just 38 supers. Had that been more prevalent there prolly would be a need to make 40s and 10mms
http://www.ballistics101.com/38_super.php