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Keaton's Batman is in a good chunk of the second half of the movie.
Movies THE FLASH (Biggest Flop in Warner Bros.' History; Dragonlord's Review)
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I’d say sign of trouble. They probably spent at least $200 million.
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Not that good. Last week's Transformers: Rise of the Beasts had a $8.8 million for its Thursday previews which went on to earn $61 million opening weekend. IMO, The Flash needs a $100+ million 3-day opening weekend for it to have a chance at commercial success. The DCEU brand is just weak overall and the numbers keep on dwindling, hence the reboot.
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I think theatrical releases in general have taken a huge hit since Covid. Rare to see movies like spider verse last week do
Huge numbers.
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Mario did over a billion, Guardians was was 800 mil, Avatar 2 did 2 billion somehow, Fast X will top out over 700 mil. (All worldwide)
Movies have bounced back, people are just justifiably wary of DC movies, especially after the last two (Shazam/Black Adam)
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Saw 9.5/10. Better than any disney shit they put on screen the last 10 years.
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I liked it, didn’t love it. Admittedly it was better than most of Marvels phase 4 films. The CGI…wow was it bad. I can give it a pass on certain scenes but not others. I liked Supergirl quite a bit here, and of course Michael Keaton was awesome. Ezra Miller surprisingly did a great job. Loved Aflecs Batman/Bruce Wayne and it will be a shame to see him go. But overall the film was a bit too much nostalgia bait, although some of it was pretty cool. The emotion of Barry’s love for his mom was very well done.
overall 7.5/10
overall 7.5/10
I had high hopes for this movie based on all the hype it got.
Unfortunately it wasn't great. Not terrible like most Marvel movies these days, but Ezra Miller is annoying as hell for 90% of the movie, and there is virtually nothing original in this film (except for the time travel scenes, which had a unique look). They removed everything that made Flashpoint cool. Sasha Calle is serviceable as Kara Zor-El, but has like 3 lines in the entire movie, and is largely just a CGI blur fighting stuff, so they could have casted anyone. If Michael Keaton wasn't in this movie, I doubt it gets a warm reception.
I'm glad Ezra Miller is done as The Flash. He's just not the right fit. I know that Flash is supposed to be a funny guy, but Miller brings it to a ridiculous level of awkward and goofy.
Unfortunately it wasn't great. Not terrible like most Marvel movies these days, but Ezra Miller is annoying as hell for 90% of the movie, and there is virtually nothing original in this film (except for the time travel scenes, which had a unique look). They removed everything that made Flashpoint cool. Sasha Calle is serviceable as Kara Zor-El, but has like 3 lines in the entire movie, and is largely just a CGI blur fighting stuff, so they could have casted anyone. If Michael Keaton wasn't in this movie, I doubt it gets a warm reception.
I'm glad Ezra Miller is done as The Flash. He's just not the right fit. I know that Flash is supposed to be a funny guy, but Miller brings it to a ridiculous level of awkward and goofy.
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Holy hell, I thoroughly enjoyed the f out of this movie. I honestly think it's the best comic book movie I have watched since Infinity War. There are only three DCEU movies that I think are stellar: Wonder Woman, Aquaman and this one. And this one is maybe the best of the three.
A big reason why I liked it is the humor. If you don't like the cheap laughs like I do, you probably won't enjoy this. I was laughing every few minutes. It is very Joss Whedon-y type of humor.
Like all DCEU movies, the CGI is good in some parts, terribad in others. Ezra is really good and convincing throughout the movie. There are dramatic stuff in this movie he did really well. The woke-y moments are not too bad. I didn't mind that the mom was Latina but I never read the comics.
Movie's great fun and I think all the laughs and the wicked action scenes will hold up well. 9/10.
A big reason why I liked it is the humor. If you don't like the cheap laughs like I do, you probably won't enjoy this. I was laughing every few minutes. It is very Joss Whedon-y type of humor.
Like all DCEU movies, the CGI is good in some parts, terribad in others. Ezra is really good and convincing throughout the movie. There are dramatic stuff in this movie he did really well. The woke-y moments are not too bad. I didn't mind that the mom was Latina but I never read the comics.
Movie's great fun and I think all the laughs and the wicked action scenes will hold up well. 9/10.
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Seems like a soft reboot is on the way.
There was a viral-ish video a few months ago of Jason Momoa celebrating after a meeting with James Gunn or DC/WB executives. I think he might be staying as Aquaman from the end credits.
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I didn't love it. I didn't think it was as good as Zack Snyder's Justice League. It was an above average movie, but it wasn't a masterpiece. I can't tell if I was let down or my expectations were met. They weren't exceeded, that's for sure.
Pretty cool cameos. There's one I know people won't get unless they know the back story. One cameo almost brought me to tears, except some internet search engine ruined it for me cause they had it on their weekly headlines. The ending was okay and the end credit scene was funny, but didn't move the story along.
Overall, I did get Spiderman: Acrsoss the Spider-Verse vibes, I just felt Spider-man didn't it better. Especially explaining timelines. Maybe if they weren't released so close to each other, I'd be more invested.
Despite all that, 7.5/8/10 for me. Not sure if I'll see it again, but it slightly above average for me. .5 might be for Barry's mom. I've always liked hot older women going back to my 20s.
EDIT: After sitting on it for the past few days and thinking about it...I'm pissed off. That movie could've been so much better. I left disappointed and I tried to talk myself into it being better than it was.
6.5/10
Pretty cool cameos. There's one I know people won't get unless they know the back story. One cameo almost brought me to tears, except some internet search engine ruined it for me cause they had it on their weekly headlines. The ending was okay and the end credit scene was funny, but didn't move the story along.
Overall, I did get Spiderman: Acrsoss the Spider-Verse vibes, I just felt Spider-man didn't it better. Especially explaining timelines. Maybe if they weren't released so close to each other, I'd be more invested.
Despite all that, 7.5/8/10 for me. Not sure if I'll see it again, but it slightly above average for me. .5 might be for Barry's mom. I've always liked hot older women going back to my 20s.
EDIT: After sitting on it for the past few days and thinking about it...I'm pissed off. That movie could've been so much better. I left disappointed and I tried to talk myself into it being better than it was.
6.5/10
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I saw it. I agree with most of Dragons reviews but this one I do not. I think Ezra is just wrong as The Flash. He has a horrible, annoying, whiny voice. He looks silly in the costume, and he has not one ounce of a super hero quality. I feel like he is the same guy as his weird awkward character in Perks of Being a Wallflower if he had powers. Keaton saved the movie for me. The CGI was surprisingly bad, I don't care if it was on purpose. After watching Avatar 2, this looked like Babylon 5 CGI. BUT....using Flashpoint as plot was a great idea, and the feel was good. I say 6/10. If they used a different actor as Flash, maybe 7.5. Casting is a huge deal in these movies, I think The Rock was terrible in Black Adam as well.
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I was surprised. Pretty heavy on nostalgia but there were a few nostalgia scenes that were amazing. 8.5-9 from me. I liked it better than GOTG3 which is formulitic and cheap to the point you care about none of the characters. The Flash grounded the characters in a world where they are people in unusual circumstances. Ezra can act and I hope he gets his shit together.
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Update: June 17, 2023
THE FLASH Had Three Separate Endings with Different Secret Cameos, Each Overseen by Different Warner Bros. Regimes [Spoilers]
[SPOILERS AHEAD] Hollywood secrets have become notoriously hard to keep, but Warner Bros. and the filmmakers of The Flash pulled off a doozy with the final moments of their DC film.
After more than 25 years, George Clooney returned to the role of Bruce Wayne, marking a remarkable change of heart for an actor who was unequivocally done with the role. It was also a secret that the studio was able to keep tight for close to six months.
In a mic drop movie moment, one which has left audiences howling, The Flash’s final scenes shows Barry Allen (Ezra Miller) on the phone with Bruce Wayne. The phone call comes after a climactic courthouse hearing and Barry finally returning to his own Earth and timeline. Wayne pulls up to the courthouse in his car and as he gets out, the assembled crowd part to reveal Wayne…as played by Clooney, not the Ben Affleck version Barry expected.
Clooney infamously played Bruce Wayne/Batman in filmmaker Joel Schumacher’s Batman & Robin, the ill-fated 1997 movie considered one of the worst superhero films of all time. The actor has repudiated it over the years, with it being the most visible miss in his storied career.
Clooney’s return to Bruce Wayne was not years in the making. In fact, it was made within a few weeks with some phone calls, two screenings of the movie, and a half day of shooting in January.
It was also the third ending crafted for the film, which director Andy Muschietti made through three separate regimes at Warners. The Flash serves as a study of a movie that survived and evolved in a rapidly changing media landscape, facing the dictates of several sets of studio heads and a multi-billion dollar acquisition.
The Flash began life under the studio regime run by Toby Emmerich and his lieutenant, DC Films boss Walter Hamada. Most of the shooting and post-production was undertaken under that leadership, with the movie as part of Hamada’s plan to have Flash build to a major reset of the entire DC cinematic universe, departing from the one established by filmmaker Zack Snyder with Man of Steel a decade ago. Hamada planned a Flash sequel and then wanted to move to a movie inspired by the 1980s classic comic event, Crisis on Infinite Earths.
The Flash, as it was originally conceived and shot, ended on the courthouse steps with Supergirl, played by Sasha Calle, and Batman, played by Michael Keaton, who was already featured throughout the movie as a returned Batman. It was meant to highlight that Barry did not reset the timeline as he thought he did. It was an ending that was screen tested several times, one that reversed the deaths of Supergirl and Batman earlier in the film.
However, the movie got caught in the lightning storm that was Discovery’s acquisition of Warner Bros. in 2022. Emmerich and Hamada were ousted, and Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav was on the hunt for an executive to run DC. In the meantime, Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy were installed as Warner Bros. Pictures Group chairpersons and CEOs. They were tasked with overseeing DC in the meantime, and suddenly and certainly not unexpectedly they had their own plans.
A new The Flash ending was conceived. This new version was still on the courthouse steps, but now Calle’s Supergirl was joined by Superman, played by Henry Cavill, and Wonder Woman, played by Gal Gadot. Keaton also remained. De Luca and Abdy believed they were being strategic with the ending. Cavill was going to cameo for DC movie Black Adam and was being teed up to return to the role in a brand new Superman movie. Supergirl was retained because even though the executives were killing the development of a standalone Supergirl movie, they were open to her returning in some form and didn’t want the last image audiences saw of her to be her death at the hands of a supervillain (Michael Shannon’s General Zod).
Meanwhile, the studio was developing a third installment of Wonder Woman with filmmaker Patty Jenkins and star Gadot. This was a nice way to keep Wonder Woman in the cultural conversation. This ending was shot in September involving Miller, Cavill and Gadot as well as Keaton and Calle.
Then came another lightning strike. In November, Zaslav announced that filmmaker James Gunn and producer Peter Safran were to run DC Studios, overseeing all DC film and television efforts. And suddenly and certainly not unexpectedly, they had their own plans.
Knowing they were resetting the DC universe under their own vision, Gunn and Safran saw that having Cavill and Gadot in the new ending was potentially promising something their plans were not going to deliver. One of the first actions the duo took was to scrap the Cavill Superman film, and they parted ways with Jenkins, effectively killing the third Wonder Woman installment.
The filmmakers, according to multiple people associated with the movie, then looked for alternatives but wanted to keep the germ of the idea: Barry Allen thinks all is right, but then has the rug pulled out at the last moment. They also went back to an idea joked about earlier in the filmmaking process: “How many Batmen can we get?” Clooney was brought up as a long-shot, but Gunn and Safran jumped on the notion.
The duo reached out to Clooney’s agent at CAA, Bryan Lourd, showing him a cut of the mostly finished film. He liked it and then showed it to Clooney. Clooney liked it and agreed to be a part of it.
A shoot was quickly assembled and on a January morning on the Warners lot, Clooney was there as Wayne, back for the first time in 26 years. Also on set was Miller, making their first appearance on the lot since the fateful day in August where they met with De Luca and Abdy to discuss their controversial behavior (including multiple arrests) and steps forward.
Miller was in top form that day, sources say, for what was described as a quick and efficient shoot. Clooney and Miller spent some time together in between takes with the veteran actor having a talk with the younger actor, giving encouraging advice about handling being in the public eye and behaving in public.
Warner kept the new ending tucked away as much as possible. The studio didn’t even screen test it. And when it screened the movie at CinemaCon for theater owners and press in April, it stopped short of revealing who came to the courthouse steps. The first time the new ending was seen by anyone other than the filmmakers was at screenings for press the week of June 4, and then at the movie’s premiere last June 12.
“It’s rare that you have a movie in post-production that faces three separate regimes with three separate agendas,” notes one insider. “None of them were scrapped because of ill will, just different visions.”
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...side-george-clooney-return-batman-1235517975/
THE FLASH Had Three Separate Endings with Different Secret Cameos, Each Overseen by Different Warner Bros. Regimes [Spoilers]
[SPOILERS AHEAD] Hollywood secrets have become notoriously hard to keep, but Warner Bros. and the filmmakers of The Flash pulled off a doozy with the final moments of their DC film.
After more than 25 years, George Clooney returned to the role of Bruce Wayne, marking a remarkable change of heart for an actor who was unequivocally done with the role. It was also a secret that the studio was able to keep tight for close to six months.
In a mic drop movie moment, one which has left audiences howling, The Flash’s final scenes shows Barry Allen (Ezra Miller) on the phone with Bruce Wayne. The phone call comes after a climactic courthouse hearing and Barry finally returning to his own Earth and timeline. Wayne pulls up to the courthouse in his car and as he gets out, the assembled crowd part to reveal Wayne…as played by Clooney, not the Ben Affleck version Barry expected.
Clooney infamously played Bruce Wayne/Batman in filmmaker Joel Schumacher’s Batman & Robin, the ill-fated 1997 movie considered one of the worst superhero films of all time. The actor has repudiated it over the years, with it being the most visible miss in his storied career.
Clooney’s return to Bruce Wayne was not years in the making. In fact, it was made within a few weeks with some phone calls, two screenings of the movie, and a half day of shooting in January.
It was also the third ending crafted for the film, which director Andy Muschietti made through three separate regimes at Warners. The Flash serves as a study of a movie that survived and evolved in a rapidly changing media landscape, facing the dictates of several sets of studio heads and a multi-billion dollar acquisition.
The Flash began life under the studio regime run by Toby Emmerich and his lieutenant, DC Films boss Walter Hamada. Most of the shooting and post-production was undertaken under that leadership, with the movie as part of Hamada’s plan to have Flash build to a major reset of the entire DC cinematic universe, departing from the one established by filmmaker Zack Snyder with Man of Steel a decade ago. Hamada planned a Flash sequel and then wanted to move to a movie inspired by the 1980s classic comic event, Crisis on Infinite Earths.
The Flash, as it was originally conceived and shot, ended on the courthouse steps with Supergirl, played by Sasha Calle, and Batman, played by Michael Keaton, who was already featured throughout the movie as a returned Batman. It was meant to highlight that Barry did not reset the timeline as he thought he did. It was an ending that was screen tested several times, one that reversed the deaths of Supergirl and Batman earlier in the film.
However, the movie got caught in the lightning storm that was Discovery’s acquisition of Warner Bros. in 2022. Emmerich and Hamada were ousted, and Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav was on the hunt for an executive to run DC. In the meantime, Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy were installed as Warner Bros. Pictures Group chairpersons and CEOs. They were tasked with overseeing DC in the meantime, and suddenly and certainly not unexpectedly they had their own plans.
A new The Flash ending was conceived. This new version was still on the courthouse steps, but now Calle’s Supergirl was joined by Superman, played by Henry Cavill, and Wonder Woman, played by Gal Gadot. Keaton also remained. De Luca and Abdy believed they were being strategic with the ending. Cavill was going to cameo for DC movie Black Adam and was being teed up to return to the role in a brand new Superman movie. Supergirl was retained because even though the executives were killing the development of a standalone Supergirl movie, they were open to her returning in some form and didn’t want the last image audiences saw of her to be her death at the hands of a supervillain (Michael Shannon’s General Zod).
Meanwhile, the studio was developing a third installment of Wonder Woman with filmmaker Patty Jenkins and star Gadot. This was a nice way to keep Wonder Woman in the cultural conversation. This ending was shot in September involving Miller, Cavill and Gadot as well as Keaton and Calle.
Then came another lightning strike. In November, Zaslav announced that filmmaker James Gunn and producer Peter Safran were to run DC Studios, overseeing all DC film and television efforts. And suddenly and certainly not unexpectedly, they had their own plans.
Knowing they were resetting the DC universe under their own vision, Gunn and Safran saw that having Cavill and Gadot in the new ending was potentially promising something their plans were not going to deliver. One of the first actions the duo took was to scrap the Cavill Superman film, and they parted ways with Jenkins, effectively killing the third Wonder Woman installment.
The filmmakers, according to multiple people associated with the movie, then looked for alternatives but wanted to keep the germ of the idea: Barry Allen thinks all is right, but then has the rug pulled out at the last moment. They also went back to an idea joked about earlier in the filmmaking process: “How many Batmen can we get?” Clooney was brought up as a long-shot, but Gunn and Safran jumped on the notion.
The duo reached out to Clooney’s agent at CAA, Bryan Lourd, showing him a cut of the mostly finished film. He liked it and then showed it to Clooney. Clooney liked it and agreed to be a part of it.
A shoot was quickly assembled and on a January morning on the Warners lot, Clooney was there as Wayne, back for the first time in 26 years. Also on set was Miller, making their first appearance on the lot since the fateful day in August where they met with De Luca and Abdy to discuss their controversial behavior (including multiple arrests) and steps forward.
Miller was in top form that day, sources say, for what was described as a quick and efficient shoot. Clooney and Miller spent some time together in between takes with the veteran actor having a talk with the younger actor, giving encouraging advice about handling being in the public eye and behaving in public.
Warner kept the new ending tucked away as much as possible. The studio didn’t even screen test it. And when it screened the movie at CinemaCon for theater owners and press in April, it stopped short of revealing who came to the courthouse steps. The first time the new ending was seen by anyone other than the filmmakers was at screenings for press the week of June 4, and then at the movie’s premiere last June 12.
“It’s rare that you have a movie in post-production that faces three separate regimes with three separate agendas,” notes one insider. “None of them were scrapped because of ill will, just different visions.”
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...side-george-clooney-return-batman-1235517975/
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Its disheartening to hear the weirdest and most jarring part of the movie was caused by James Gunn and Co. I was legit confused at the ending because of it and didnt appreciate the last scene being a joke of sorts. The second idea sounds like a proper sendoff for this universe.
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Ha, this was literally me with my baby boys, and the five year old in particular is a budding little DC fanatic. The poor kid amirite, @KnightTemplar? I just don't think I have it in me to become knowledgeable on more than one major publisher. It is his chosen path, so just gonna rock with it.
This was the first CBM that I've ever gone to see at a movie theater as an adult and we had an absolute blast. As an overall film I'd give it a 7.5 rounding up to an 8. For pure entertainment value and time with the fam, an 11/10.
I didn't think Ezra's comedic chops would land but a lot of it surprisingly did (big credit to Christina Hodson), I found it only slightly overbearing and not until well deep into the film, he crushed the emotional and serious beats. The Flash Barry Allen himself may just be the true Most OP character in all of comics, absolutely bewildering POWER when you think about it.
The Batman action scenes also kicked major ass, I almost like the Muschietti hire for the new DCU Batman on the strength of that alone. Keaton's cowl, suit, insignia, movements and vibe were already the GOAT (by far) and now he's got a couple very nice set pieces in the bag that both Tim Burton's style and 89/92 filmmaking in general didn't really allow for as noted by @Dragonlordxxxxx in his stellar review.
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Excellent Takes.
It is an abject failure, unfortunately. It makes things even more grim that the $200+ million budget doesn't even include the high global marketing costs, and the studio also splits the accumulated revenue 60/40 with the cinemas.
It certainly needs a hard reset.
This was the first CBM that I've ever gone to see at a movie theater as an adult and we had an absolute blast. As an overall film I'd give it a 7.5 rounding up to an 8. For pure entertainment value and time with the fam, an 11/10.
I didn't think Ezra's comedic chops would land but a lot of it surprisingly did (big credit to Christina Hodson), I found it only slightly overbearing and not until well deep into the film, he crushed the emotional and serious beats. The Flash Barry Allen himself may just be the true Most OP character in all of comics, absolutely bewildering POWER when you think about it.
The Batman action scenes also kicked major ass, I almost like the Muschietti hire for the new DCU Batman on the strength of that alone. Keaton's cowl, suit, insignia, movements and vibe were already the GOAT (by far) and now he's got a couple very nice set pieces in the bag that both Tim Burton's style and 89/92 filmmaking in general didn't really allow for as noted by @Dragonlordxxxxx in his stellar review.
CC: @Sick85
Excellent Takes.
It is an abject failure, unfortunately. It makes things even more grim that the $200+ million budget doesn't even include the high global marketing costs, and the studio also splits the accumulated revenue 60/40 with the cinemas.
It certainly needs a hard reset.
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Ha, this was literally me with my baby boys, and the five year old in particular is a budding little DC fanatic. The poor kid amirite, @KnightTemplar? I just don't think I have it in me to become knowledgeable on more than one major publisher. It is his chosen path, so just gonna rock with it.
This was the first CBM that I've ever gone to see at a movie theater as an adult and we had an absolute blast. As an overall film I'd give it a 7.5 rounding up to an 8. For pure entertainment value and time with the fam, an 11/10.
I didn't think Ezra's comedic chops would land but a lot of it surprisingly did (big credit to Christina Hodson), I found it only slightly overbearing and not until well deep into the film, he crushed the emotional and serious beats. The Flash Barry Allen himself may just be the true Most OP character in all of comics, absolutely bewildering POWER when you think about it.
The Batman action scenes also kicked major ass, I almost like the Muschietti hire for the new DCU Batman on the strength of that alone. Keaton's cowl, suit, insignia, movements and vibe were already the GOAT (by far) and now he's got a couple very nice set pieces in the bag that both Tim Burton's style and 89/92 filmmaking in general didn't really allow for as noted by @Dragonlordxxxxx in his stellar review.
CC: @Sick85
Excellent Takes.
It is an abject failure, unfortunately. It makes things even more grim that the $200+ million budget doesn't even include the high global marketing costs, and the studio also splits the accumulated revenue 60/40 with the cinemas.
It certainly needs a hard reset.
Yawn ....the disney bashing marketing at its finest.
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Ha, this was literally me with my baby boys, and the five year old in particular is a budding little DC fanatic. The poor kid amirite, @KnightTemplar? I just don't think I have it in me to become knowledgeable on more than one major publisher. It is his chosen path, so just gonna rock with it.
This was the first CBM that I've ever gone to see at a movie theater as an adult and we had an absolute blast. As an overall film I'd give it a 7.5 rounding up to an 8. For pure entertainment value and time with the fam, an 11/10.
I didn't think Ezra's comedic chops would land but a lot of it surprisingly did (big credit to Christina Hodson), I found it only slightly overbearing and not until well deep into the film, he crushed the emotional and serious beats. The Flash Barry Allen himself may just be the true Most OP character in all of comics, absolutely bewildering POWER when you think about it.
The Batman action scenes also kicked major ass, I almost like the Muschietti hire for the new DCU Batman on the strength of that alone. Keaton's cowl, suit, insignia, movements and vibe were already the GOAT (by far) and now he's got a couple very nice set pieces in the bag that both Tim Burton's style and 89/92 filmmaking in general didn't really allow for as noted by @Dragonlordxxxxx in his stellar review.
CC: @Sick85
Excellent Takes.
It is an abject failure, unfortunately. It makes things even more grim that the $200+ million budget doesn't even include the high global marketing costs, and the studio also splits the accumulated revenue 60/40 with the cinemas.
It certainly needs a hard reset.
I know it's a hard thing for any father to deal with, but you just have to support your son now he's chosen to Come Out. Remember, he's still your own flesh and blood, no matter how vile and disgusting you find his lifestyle...
Joking aside, Batman is one of my favourite comic book characters. I've read Dark Knight Returns, Year One and Long Halloween more times than I care to remember. And I really want the DCEU to start knocking it out of the park, because the MCU is a fucking dumpster fire at the moment. The problem with DC is there seems to be no overarching vision, as there was in the first three Phases of the MCU. DC seem to operate on the basis of, "throw enough shit at the wall and some of it will stick".
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An Amanda Waller series... Dear lord I can't imagine anything that could be less appealing. The only character from Suicide Squad less likable than Jared Leto's Joker.
