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Speaking of Mastodon, I was watching this set and I just saw that they were alongside one of my favorite live performances from Relapse's 2003 festival.



It always cracks me up how much energy Cephalic is performing with and the majority of the audience doesn't really know what to make of them. Lucid Interval is a tremendous album.

@Cubo de Sangre
 
Speaking of Mastodon, I was watching this set and I just saw that they were alongside one of my favorite live performances from Relapse's 2003 festival.



It always cracks me up how much energy Cephalic is performing with and the majority of the audience doesn't really know what to make of them. Lucid Interval is a tremendous album.

@Cubo de Sangre


Cephalic Carnage was Relapse through and through. In fact when we were trying to re-sign the band I told them they were the quintessential Relapse band. Later Zac or someone told me that me saying that to them was what convinced them to stay on the label. At the time they were the first band to ever sign a second deal with Relapse.

I'm actually the guy who came up with the title Xenosapien. The graphics guy (Orion) was working on the art and said they were still looking for a title and the idea was aliens fucking monkeys to produce humans. Or something to that effect. Popped into my head and he ran with it. I think he may have bullied the band into keeping it. He had a way of convincing bands he was right.

They were great dudes too. Lots of fun. Humble. Len was a hoot. We'd always give touring bands who stopped by our office in Upper Darby whatever Relapse CD's they wanted. Cephalic was the least shy about any of them. Len in particular. He wasn't satisfied with what was on the shelves in the mailorder. He'd come to my office and start looking at what I had sitting around and then ask me for stuff. lol

Not sure why their Contamination Fest set didn't make it to CD. Originally the idea was to put them all out on disc but many of the bands balked after the fact. Mostly due to not liking their performances, as I recall. Or that was an excuse for some other reason. I've got the whole fest on CDr, but I don't know it sounds any different than the DVD. Neurosis probably does, because they insisted on cutting their set to make sure it was up to their artistic standards and vision.

Personally my favorite set was High On Fire. For my money the live CD sounds better than Surrounded By Thieves. And their Venom cover is one of the coolest things ever. We were a little nervous with having them open for Dillinger, but the crowd was totally into them by the end.


 
Cephalic Carnage was Relapse through and through. In fact when we were trying to re-sign the band I told them they were the quintessential Relapse band. Later Zac or someone told me that me saying that to them was what convinced them to stay on the label. At the time they were the first band to ever sign a second deal with Relapse.

I'm actually the guy who came up with the title Xenosapien. The graphics guy (Orion) was working on the art and said they were still looking for a title and the idea was aliens fucking monkeys to produce humans. Or something to that effect. Popped into my head and he ran with it. I think he may have bullied the band into keeping it. He had a way of convincing bands he was right.

They were great dudes too. Lots of fun. Humble. Len was a hoot. We'd always give touring bands who stopped by our office in Upper Darby whatever Relapse CD's they wanted. Cephalic was the least shy about any of them. Len in particular. He wasn't satisfied with what was on the shelves in the mailorder. He'd come to my office and start looking at what I had sitting around and then ask me for stuff. lol

Not sure why their Contamination Fest set didn't make it to CD. Originally the idea was to put them all out on disc but many of the bands balked after the fact. Mostly due to not liking their performances, as I recall. Or that was an excuse for some other reason. I've got the whole fest on CDr, but I don't know it sounds any different than the DVD. Neurosis probably does, because they insisted on cutting their set to make sure it was up to their artistic standards and vision.

Personally my favorite set was High On Fire. For my money the live CD sounds better than Surrounded By Thieves. And their Venom cover is one of the coolest things ever. We were a little nervous with having them open for Dillinger, but the crowd was totally into them by the end.




Man that's so cool. I love hearing behind the scenes stories like this. It's also nice to hear good things about artists you support.

You ever get a chance to interact with the guys from Brutal Truth? Dying Fetus?
 
Man that's so cool. I love hearing behind the scenes stories like this. It's also nice to hear good things about artists you support.

You ever get a chance to interact with the guys from Brutal Truth? Dying Fetus?

I know Rich from Brutal Truth pretty well. Super smart guy and a DIY ethic. Dude got a degree from University of Pennsylvania (Ivy League) in three years. We (just he and I) hung out smoking and drinking at his house late one night when the band was putting together their comeback album "Evolution Through Revolution". He played me the record before vocals were added. I was like, this rules. Too bad Kevin's gonna stink it up with his vocals. lol. For whatever reason I just never liked his style.

I partied with Jason and Sparky a bit. But that's more because of Misery Index than Fetus. MI drove up to a Relapse party at my house one time. I think that was the 666 party. June 6th, 2006 we made a company holiday and had a big old bash. Mandatory drinking for those who drank. Those who didn't helped out as designated drivers. Very cool guys in that band. The drummer, Adam, I hit it off with in particular. They brought good vibes and lots of Natty Bo. And musically much more my cup of tea than Fetus.

This most recent album is sooooo crushing.


 
I know Rich from Brutal Truth pretty well. Super smart guy and a DIY ethic. Dude got a degree from University of Pennsylvania (Ivy League) in three years. We (just he and I) hung out smoking and drinking at his house late one night when the band was putting together their comeback album "Evolution Through Revolution". He played me the record before vocals were added. I was like, this rules. Too bad Kevin's gonna stink it up with his vocals. lol. For whatever reason I just never liked his style.

I partied with Jason and Sparky a bit. But that's more because of Misery Index than Fetus. MI drove up to a Relapse party at my house one time. I think that was the 666 party. June 6th, 2006 we made a company holiday and had a big old bash. Mandatory drinking for those who drank. Those who didn't helped out as designated drivers. Very cool guys in that band. The drummer, Adam, I hit it off with in particular. They brought good vibes and lots of Natty Bo. And musically much more my cup of tea than Fetus.

This most recent album is sooooo crushing.



Ah man, really? I think Kevin's one of the best grindcore vocalist's ever. Need to Control is one of my favorite grindcore albums ever.

Rich always cracks me up when I see their live videos.

Lol June 6, 2006. Brilliant. I haven't really listened to much MI don't know why, just never have. Heard a couple songs before but forgot about them.
 
Ah man, really? I think Kevin's one of the best grindcore vocalist's ever. Need to Control is one of my favorite grindcore albums ever.

Rich always cracks me up when I see their live videos.

Lol June 6, 2006. Brilliant. I haven't really listened to much MI don't know why, just never have. Heard a couple songs before but forgot about them.

Yeah, sorry man. It's not so much the sound of his voice, it's his vocal patterns/phrasings. For me he doesn't compliment the songs. It's the marriage of vocals and music that I find creates memorable songs. I've owned every BT album and had most before they were released. When I think of the band, not one song comes to mind. Just their aesthetic, which I love.

Back in my youth I was subscribed to Maximumrocknroll. They had scene reports and one was from NY. I remember reading that Danny Lilker had this new grind band (Brutal Truth). Later when talking to Matt (Relapse), I mention signing the band. He said he heard they sucked. Next thing I knew Earache signed 'em. lol

BT on Relapse would be to Bill's credit. He buddied up to 'em. To the point where some of the band were guest musicians on a couple Exit-13 records (Bill's band). Now he runs Last House On The Left Records, so there's where his tastes evolved to.

How long have you been a grind freak?
 
Yeah, sorry man. It's not so much the sound of his voice, it's his vocal patterns/phrasings. For me he doesn't compliment the songs. It's the marriage of vocals and music that I find creates memorable songs. I've owned every BT album and had most before they were released. When I think of the band, not one song comes to mind. Just their aesthetic, which I love.

Back in my youth I was subscribed to Maximumrocknroll. They had scene reports and one was from NY. I remember reading that Danny Lilker had this new grind band (Brutal Truth). Later when talking to Matt (Relapse), I mention signing the band. He said he heard they sucked. Next thing I knew Earache signed 'em. lol

BT on Relapse would be to Bill's credit. He buddied up to 'em. To the point where some of the band were guest musicians on a couple Exit-13 records (Bill's band). Now he runs Last House On The Left Records, so there's where his tastes evolved to.

How long have you been a grind freak?

Really just like the past 4 years. I was mostly a metalhead but only about half a decade ago I delved deeper into the genre and I fell in love.

You know the classic story, one listens to metal, one falls in love with metal, one then looks for heavier versions of metal until they fall down the rabbit hole of disgusting brutality. :D

Actually, the band that introduced me to grind was Carcass but the band that made me fall in love with it and want to seek out more was Mortician. On my journey to being exposed to heavier bands and genres I discovered Mortician and boy was I blown away. I never heard anything liked them. That drumming( I know it's a drum machine but it adds to the charm for me), Will's brutal low vocals, Rogers sick tasty riffing and of course the awesome samples.

I know they're a mix of Death metal and grind, but the more I listened to them the more I noticed that their drumming had a different sound than the majority of death metal bands I listened to before. Besides the ridiculous blasts some songs also had a certain rhythm to them. Long story short, it lead me the world of grind and I haven't looked back.

Since then I've been introduced to so many grind bands from so many sub genres of grind I honestly lose track but I love it all the way from traditional grindcore all the way to pornogrind.

Some of the grind bands early in journey really grabbed me by the shoulders, sat me down and made me listen.





 
Really just like the past 4 years. I was mostly a metalhead but only about half a decade ago I delved deeper into the genre and I fell in love.

You know the classic story, one listens to metal, one falls in love with metal, one then looks for heavier versions of metal until they fall down the rabbit hole of disgusting brutality. :D

Actually, the band that introduced me to grind was Carcass but the band that made me fall in love with it and want to seek out more was Mortician. On my journey to being exposed to heavier bands and genres I discovered Mortician and boy was I blown away. I never heard anything liked them. That drumming( I know it's a drum machine but it adds to the charm for me), Will's brutal low vocals, Rogers sick tasty riffing and of course the awesome samples.

I know they're a mix of Death metal and grind, but the more I listened to them the more I noticed that their drumming had a different sound than the majority of death metal bands I listened to before. Besides the ridiculous blasts some songs also had a certain rhythm to them. Long story short, it lead me the world of grind and I haven't looked back.

Since then I've been introduced to so many grind bands from so many sub genres of grind I honestly lose track but I love it all the way from traditional grindcore all the way to pornogrind.

Some of the grind bands early in journey really grabbed me by the shoulders, sat me down and made me listen.







Damn, bro. You went way down that rabbit hole if you fished out Impetigo! Haven't thought about that band in 15-20 years.

Mortician are definitely something special. When I met Matt/Relapse in 1990, he'd tapped into two scenes. His local buddies in Denver, and the burgeoning NY Death Metal scene (Incantation, Suffocation, Mortician, Apparition). Merely by advertising upcoming releases from these NY bands, without actually putting out a single one of their records (except an Apparition 7"), he secured distribution.

Suffocation was becoming hot shit and Matt held a contract for their debut ep (Human Waste). Dude spent all his money on his phone bill though. Which ultimately paid off, as you'll see below.

So I help get him a loan to press Human Waste on cassette. $2500. Can't recall how many copies it was supposed to be. He didn't end up pressing the cassette at that time. Instead he took on a partner and talked Nuclear Blast into letting them open their US office.

PS: Apparition changed their name to Sorrow and put out a record on Roadrunner, but nothing else they did was ever this good.


 
Damn, bro. You went way down that rabbit hole if you fished out Impetigo! Haven't thought about that band in 15-20 years.

Mortician are definitely something special. When I met Matt/Relapse in 1990, he'd tapped into two scenes. His local buddies in Denver, and the burgeoning NY Death Metal scene (Incantation, Suffocation, Mortician, Apparition). Merely by advertising upcoming releases from these NY bands, without actually putting out a single one of their records (except an Apparition 7"), he secured distribution.

Suffocation was becoming hot shit and Matt held a contract for their debut ep (Human Waste). Dude spent all his money on his phone bill though. Which ultimately paid off, as you'll see below.

So I help get him a loan to press Human Waste on cassette. $2500. Can't recall how many copies it was supposed to be. He didn't end up pressing the cassette at that time. Instead he took on a partner and talked Nuclear Blast into letting them open their US office.

PS: Apparition changed their name to Sorrow and put out a record on Roadrunner, but nothing else they did was ever this good.




Impetigo was on my playlist for a bit when I discovered them lol.

The NY death metal scene was insane back then. So many great bands ppl don't know or talk about anymore. That scene alone introduced me so many bands.

Legends:




 
Impetigo was on my playlist for a bit when I discovered them lol.

The NY death metal scene was insane back then. So many great bands ppl don't know or talk about anymore. That scene alone introduced me so many bands.

Legends:






Sherwood from Skinless was a well-liked dude. Never personally spent any time with those guys.

They, along with Mortician and Dying Fetus, were some of my favorite bands for reasons other than the dudes or the music. It's because they paid bills. Those bands sold tens of thousands of records and it didn't cost a lot to make that happen. It's important to have those kind of bands while you're losing money trying to break a band like Mastodon.

And before you start thinking those bands were getting screwed, they weren't. They consistently got royalty checks because they didn't eat up their earnings in advances (recording, tour support, indie promo). Other bands that consistently got paid were Nile, Pig Destroyer, Necrophagist, ANB, Nasum, Repulsion, etc.

When "Remision" came out nobody really gave a fuck. The band was out touring, but weren't generating the buzz/sales to match everyone's confidence in them. The record came out in May. Headbanger's Ball and actual music videos were making a bit of a comeback, so we decided to do a video for "March Of The Fire Ants" and issue a special edition of the album with a bonus track right before Christmas. The idea there was to entice retail to take copies in. It's a stupid game you gotta play, but it worked. After that the band took off. If you don't know Mastodon, you don't know Metal. :)

 
Sherwood from Skinless was a well-liked dude. Never personally spent any time with those guys.

They, along with Mortician and Dying Fetus, were some of my favorite bands for reasons other than the dudes or the music. It's because they paid bills. Those bands sold tens of thousands of records and it didn't cost a lot to make that happen. It's important to have those kind of bands while you're losing money trying to break a band like Mastodon.

And before you start thinking those bands were getting screwed, they weren't. They consistently got royalty checks because they didn't eat up their earnings in advances (recording, tour support, indie promo). Other bands that consistently got paid were Nile, Pig Destroyer, Necrophagist, ANB, Nasum, Repulsion, etc.

When "Remision" came out nobody really gave a fuck. The band was out touring, but weren't generating the buzz/sales to match everyone's confidence in them. The record came out in May. Headbanger's Ball and actual music videos were making a bit of a comeback, so we decided to do a video for "March Of The Fire Ants" and issue a special edition of the album with a bonus track right before Christmas. The idea there was to entice retail to take copies in. It's a stupid game you gotta play, but it worked. After that the band took off. If you don't know Mastodon, you don't know Metal. :)



Makes sense.

Not to mention bands like Fetus, Mortician, Devourment aren't as appealing and marketable(more so Mortician) because of their niche genre. They aren't making nearly the kind of money a band like Mastodon is. Those dudes have to be smart and responsible about their money(all bands do but more so the bands I mentioned for some of the reasons above). This is just an outsider looking in so if I'm wrong let me know lol.

That's one of the big reasons I love Death Metal and the sub genres in it. 99.9% of the bands aren't into it for the money, because there's no money to be made from it. It's the love of the music. The passion. The scene is all love and support that keeps it going.
 
Makes sense.

Not to mention bands like Fetus, Mortician, Devourment aren't as appealing and marketable(more so Mortician) because of their niche genre. They aren't making nearly the kind of money a band like Mastodon is. Those dudes have to be smart and responsible about their money(all bands do but more so the bands I mentioned for some of the reasons above). This is just an outsider looking in so if I'm wrong let me know lol.

That's one of the big reasons I love Death Metal and the sub genres in it. 99.9% of the bands aren't into it for the money, because there's no money to be made from it. It's the love of the music. The passion. The scene is all love and support that keeps it going.

Well, I'm not sure you're wrong and I'm not sure if I miscommunicated.

Here's where shit gets complicated. But let me first say this. Death Metal dudes aren't immune to greed. Nor needing their ego stroked. Around the office there were some notorious personalities. Of the top five, three are Death Metal guys. Personally I found the Grindcore dudes to be less conscious of money.

Let's look at Mortician. They were selling 20-25k records at their peak. They recorded the albums themselves. That means no studio advance, which is recoupable against royalties. So they make money from the sale of album #1. They didn't tour much, so tour support wasn't a big thing. They could get enough in guarantees that they didn't need a royalty advance to get out on the road. So they got checks every six months when royalties were due. I know. I signed the checks for years. They were known as the accountant's best friend because the return compared to investment was like printing money.

Sidenote. Mortician I think legit scared Matt. When I got there Relapse was negligent with timely royalty payments. But no matter what, Mortician's accounting was always up to date. :)

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Now let's take a band like Mastodon. They couldn't easily plug in to an established, potentially lucrative niche. Not saying Mortician didn't do something different, but you knew it was Death Metal when you heard it. Mastodon was a bit of a new beast. So those who connected with the music were head over heals. Others took some work. And as I said, we struggled to establish and audience early on.

It also cost money to make the record, which Relapse was sorely lacking. In fact, the company's CPA told a coworker the company was going under. So coughing up 10-15k for some unknown dudes to record was a big investment. Then there was some issues, which I forget. I wanna say the producer didn't like a studio and wanted to change. Or time ran out and the record needed finished up elsewhere. Something like that. Everyone got paid late. lol.

Now imagine you'd seen that band live, and it was about the most crushing thing you've ever seen. I say this as someone who saw Neurosis on every tour since Souls At Zero, and Eyehategod crushing Neurosis when they toured together in like 1995. So we knew we just needed to get the band out in front of people. Trouble is they were still unknown and would be the third or fourth band down on the bill. That shit don't pay as much as headlining or main support. That means more advances against royalties from the label. Could be for van rental, or maybe flights to Europe.

Eventually the band caught fire, but they needed lots of upfront money through the Leviathan touring cycle to take advantage of all the opportunities that catapulted them to Grammy status. Speaking of Leviathan, that went gold in the UK and I could have gotten a "gold record", but it would have cost the label money to feed my ego and I didn't do shit to deserve it. So me and the other guy running the joint declined. Gotta admit, part of me would like to be ebaying that right now. lol.

Here's a band far more interested in making art than worrying about money. Although I wouldn't trust 'em if I left my wallet behind. I caught these guys in Baltimore right around the time this record came out. Baroness was on the same bill, pre Relapse signing, and FDIS just destroyed that night. Dave Witte was trying to sell me on Baroness and I just didn't care.







I know they haven't had a good record since Leviathan, does that count? :D

In my book that counts.

It counts as good taste.
 
Killer live album from Ascended Dead (OSDM, think early Morbid Angel, Possessed etc):



Also was supposed to be going to this, probably won't be able to with all the travel restrictions that will likely still be in place.
http://www.nwnprod.com/?p=12187
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