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I complied a list of the top 10 submissions in Nogi grappling using stats(not my personal opinion). Were you surprised by any of them? Do you think any will be gone next year?
A bit surprised as how high guillotines are
It's an eye opener
For real, it's the only system that I've not implemented into my game
I pretty much suck at everything, from the setups to the finishing mechanics
And I do other stuff, like d'arces and anacondas
The over-dependence on double leg takedowns lead us to this. They’re effective is wrestling, but even statistically, if you shoot when your opponent is fresh you actually have a better chance of losing.A bit surprised as how high guillotines are
It's an eye opener
For real, it's the only system that I've not implemented into my game
I pretty much suck at everything, from the setups to the finishing mechanics
And I do other stuff, like d'arces and anacondas
I watch very little grappling, but I don't buy that shitty double legs are getting elite grapplers guillotined in competition in 2023.The over-dependence on double leg takedowns lead us to this. They’re effective is wrestling, but even statistically, if you shoot when your opponent is fresh you actually have a better chance of losing.
In jiu jitsu competition, where the neck is a viable attack, a double-leg against a fresh opponent will statistically get you finished more than it will allow you the td.
That’s why i stray more toward head-inside attacks, mostly single-legs to start and save the double for tired or off-balanced opponents.
If you havent seen the most recent Dake/Burroughs clash, I suggest giving it a watch. Take note of how many times the guy with the best double leg of all time is negated by pressure on the neck. Now imagine if Dake could wrap a guillotine. It’s actually nuts
i watch a ton of grapplingI watch very little grappling, but I don't buy that shitty double legs are getting elite grapplers guillotined in competition in 2023.
The guillotine is a powerful submission and option from so many positions.
After establishing a wrestling style front headlock off of a sprawli watch a ton of grappling
Where do you think the vast majority of guillotines happen?
Sprawling from what?After establishing a wrestling style front headlock off of a sprawl
As a counter when an opponent tries to wrestle up from bottom side control, open guard or half guard.
Initiated from the top position, including top turtle.
Sprawling from what?
Wrestling up with what?
Turtle from where?
Count how many lazy shots and wrestle ups are in this video
Yes, wrestilng up to a double leg position. Sorry you dont know what youre watching, but you can do a seated double legUmm... I'd count about 4 shitty double legs resulting in guillotines, with the remaining guillotines falling into categories that I described.
Apologies that you confuse what appears to be a semantic disagreement with me not knowing what I'm watching.Yes, wrestilng up to a double leg position. Sorry you dont know what youre watching, but you can do a seated double leg
The over-dependence on double leg takedowns lead us to this. They’re effective is wrestling, but even statistically, if you shoot when your opponent is fresh you actually have a better chance of losing.
In jiu jitsu competition, where the neck is a viable attack, a double-leg against a fresh opponent will statistically get you finished more than it will allow you the td.
That’s why i stray more toward head-inside attacks, mostly single-legs to start and save the double for tired or off-balanced opponents.
If you havent seen the most recent Dake/Burroughs clash, I suggest giving it a watch. Take note of how many times the guy with the best double leg of all time is negated by pressure on the neck. Now imagine if Dake could wrap a guillotine. It’s actually nuts
Completely wrong on the wrestle up departmentApologies that you confuse what appears to be a semantic disagreement with me not knowing what I'm watching.
When people typically refer to shitty double legs, they're referring to technical deficiencies from a double leg initiated from a standing position. (ie: Poor level change, bad penetration step, not properly creating an angle, not properly driving with the trail leg).
Virtually none of these deficiencies are even possible to correct from wrestling up from a seated position. As such, when people get guillotined while wrestling up, it does not make sense to me to cite poor double leg mechanics as the reason why they are getting guillotined.
Apologies that you confuse what appears to be a semantic disagreement with me not knowing what I'm watching.
When people typically refer to shitty double legs, they're referring to technical deficiencies from a double leg initiated from a standing position. (ie: Poor level change, bad penetration step, not properly creating an angle, not properly driving with the trail leg).
Virtually none of these deficiencies are even possible to correct from wrestling up from a seated position. As such, when people get guillotined while wrestling up, it does not make sense to me to cite poor double leg mechanics as the reason why they are getting guillotined.