UFC 237 Namajunas vs Andrade

[Jordan3399]

You don't think Volk could take Moicano down? I believe he can, throwing kicks against him could even be dangerous if he catches one.. The low low kick could be a useful tool but I think that is something fighters are learning to adjust to now.

Either way Volk is fighting Max next knows something changes

I think he likely can but Moicano has a very slick BJJ game so it would be dangerous. Tbh, Moicano would likely have more success if he got down Volk. Moicano has a solid back take and Mendes had no problem getting Volks who exposes himself a bit as he's so keen to get back to his feet.

 

[ApplesVild]

I think he likely can but Moicano has a very slick BJJ game so it would be dangerous. Tbh, Moicano would likely have more success if he got down Volk. Moicano has a solid back take and Mendes had no problem getting Volks who exposes himself a bit as he's so keen to get back to his feet.

See those little holes that you're seeing from 2 or 3 fights ago are going to be filled in my opinion. Volk will be making big jumps from fight to fight and issues like that will be worked on and fixed. It's going to be a better version each time, Volk is an evolving fighter. This is why I believe he beats Holloway, even though Holloway is still young in terms of age he's getting on in fight years I believe much like Aldo his game is his game. It's a great game, very highly skilled, but other than a few small tweaks here and there it won't change from what we already know. High pace high volume punching. That's his game, and it can be game planned for.

 

[Jordan3399]

See those little holes that you're seeing from 2 or 3 fights ago are going to be filled in my opinion. Volk will be making big jumps from fight to fight and issues like that will be worked on and fixed. It's going to be a better version each time, Volk is an evolving fighter. This is why I believe he beats Holloway, even though Holloway is still young in terms of age he's getting on in fight years I believe much like Aldo his game is his game. It's a great game, very highly skilled, but other than a few small tweaks here and there it won't change from what we already know. High pace high volume punching. That's his game, and it can be game planned for.

How do you know he's going to make big leaps? As it is Max would dominate him pretty easily and its not like he's doing anything particularly new in each fight. The guy lost a round striking to Darren Elkins less than a year ago and neither of his last 2 wins, especially this one with Aldo make him look any better. He did his usual thing his opponents just had almost no desire to fight.

I think he's likely going to be a ranked guy for a while but he really does nothing particularly great or that impresses me.

 

[ill800]

How do you know he's going to make big leaps? As it is Max would dominate him pretty easily and its not like he's doing anything particularly new in each fight. The guy lost a round striking to Darren Elkins less than a year ago and neither of his last 2 wins, especially this one with Aldo make him look any better. He did his usual thing his opponents just had almost no desire to fight.

I think he's likely going to be a ranked guy for a while but he really does nothing particularly great or that impresses me.

Some of your posts just... don’t impress me

 

[ApplesVild]

How do you know he's going to make big leaps? As it is Max would dominate him pretty easily and its not like he's doing anything particularly new in each fight. The guy lost a round striking to Darren Elkins less than a year ago and neither of his last 2 wins, especially this one with Aldo make him look any better. He did his usual thing his opponents just had almost no desire to fight.

I think he's likely going to be a ranked guy for a while but he really does nothing particularly great or that impresses me.

I have to say I think you are way off here. Volk is pretty clearly the most well rounded fighter in the division right now, he doesn't have to be the best at any one thing, he will beat more people being very good at everything rather than great at one particular thing. Guys who are well rounded are much more difficult to game plan for, where as someone like Aldo is an open book, we havent seen anything that's new from him in a long time and he's even dropped a few of his weapons, leg kicks being the big one.

Volks going to be making big leaps because he's 6/7 fights into his UFC career, fighting tougher competition each time, he learns more from each of those fights, his coaches can make adjustments where they see issues, he's only 30 so just entering his prime, everything is really in his favour.

I love Max, I have said it already Max is my favourite fighter, him and Lawler. The truth is Max is excellent at what he does, but he only does that one thing. He for sure has skills everywhere, but nothing that is as good as his bread and butter - High output striking and his footwork that goes along with it. As a sole tool it's a great one to have, but it's just one tool. What else does he have? Is he stronger than Volk in the clinch? Aldo wasn't. He's not the better wrestler or grappler, the cardio level is the same, he hasn't got the power advantage. He has the height and probably slight reach advantage, but he does have those short arms so probably not by much.

The all rounder beats the specialist the majority of the time.

GSP is an all rounder, Jones is an all rounder... Damian Maia is a specialist, still very good, very dangerous, but, when the puzzle of a specialist gets worked out that is usually it for them, thus Maia gets wrestled fucked repeatedly by the top guys and will never be near the title again.

 

[Jordan3399]

I have to say I think you are way off here. Volk is pretty clearly the most well rounded fighter in the division right now, he doesn't have to be the best at any one thing, he will beat more people being very good at everything rather than great at one particular thing. Guys who are well rounded are much more difficult to game plan for, where as someone like Aldo is an open book, we havent seen anything that's new from him in a long time and he's even dropped a few of his weapons, leg kicks being the big one.

Volks going to be making big leaps because he's 6/7 fights into his UFC career, fighting tougher competition each time, he learns more from each of those fights, his coaches can make adjustments where they see issues, he's only 30 so just entering his prime, everything is really in his favour.

I love Max, I have said it already Max is my favourite fighter, him and Lawler. The truth is Max is excellent at what he does, but he only does that one thing. He for sure has skills everywhere, but nothing that is as good as his bread and butter - High output striking and his footwork that goes along with it. As a sole tool it's a great one to have, but it's just one tool. What else does he have? Is he stronger than Volk in the clinch? Aldo wasn't. He's not the better wrestler or grappler, the cardio level is the same, he hasn't got the power advantage. He has the height and probably slight reach advantage, but he does have those short arms so probably not by much.

The all rounder beats the specialist the majority of the time.

GSP is an all rounder, Jones is an all rounder... Damian Maia is a specialist, still very good, very dangerous, but, when the puzzle of a specialist gets worked out that is usually it for them, thus Maia gets wrestled fucked repeatedly by the top guys and will never be near the title again.

So you're comparing GSP and Jones to Volkanovski now? You are seriously off, like incredibly in your estimation of Volks skill level. Last time he fought someone who actually tried he lost a round striking... to Darren Elkins.

 

[ApplesVild]

So you're comparing GSP and Jones to Volkanovski now? You are seriously off, like incredibly in your estimation of Volks skill level. Last time he fought someone who actually tried he lost a round striking... to Darren Elkins.

Clearly I am not, I am comparing an all rounder to a specialist. Elkins went on a six fight win streak, and one of those wins was against Michael Johnson, Elkins is under rated if anything.. And Volk knocked him out like 4 times in the first round.

I have to assume you were picking Aldo before this fight based on... '3 round Aldo is a beast!'?

 

[Deleted member 560591]

Congrats on you guys cashing on Volkanovski but let’s pump the brakes as uncle bald head likes to say lol

I like Volkanovski quite a bit and have bet him before a few times but betting him was no crazy sharp play let’s be real lol. Aldo simply didn’t want to fight at all and gave Volkanovski an easy win.

The line wasn’t really tempting neither. Aldo at close to pick em odds was the actual value side. Anyway he lost though, so congrats again to you guys but let’s slow down lol.

 

[Jordan3399]

Clearly I am not, I am comparing an all rounder to a specialist. Elkins went on a six fight win streak, and one of those wins was against Michael Johnson, Elkins is under rated if anything.. And Volk knocked him out like 4 times in the first round.

I have to assume you were picking Aldo before this fight based on... '3 round Aldo is a beast!'?

No I just know how to evaluate the skill of a fighter by something other than just 'but he beat x'.

 

[ill800]

Congrats on you guys cashing on Volkanovski but let’s pump the brakes as uncle bald head likes to say lol

I like Volkanovski quite a bit and have bet him before a few times but betting him was no crazy sharp play let’s be real lol. Aldo simply didn’t want to fight at all and gave Volkanovski an easy win.

The line wasn’t really tempting neither. Aldo at close to pick em odds was the actual value side. Anyway he lost though, so congrats again to you guys but let’s slow down lol.

The aldo didn’t want to fight thing is pretty lame and just takes away from volks game planning and execution. He fought the perfect fight to beat aldo. He won a unanimous 30-27 decision, in Brazil. But he’s really not impressive

I see Captain hindsight has really showed his face after this event

 

[ApplesVild]

Congrats on you guys cashing on Volkanovski but let’s pump the brakes as uncle bald head likes to say lol

I like Volkanovski quite a bit and have bet him before a few times but betting him was no crazy sharp play let’s be real lol. Aldo simply didn’t want to fight at all and gave Volkanovski an easy win.

The line wasn’t really tempting neither. Aldo at close to pick em odds was the actual value side. Anyway he lost though, so congrats again to you guys but let’s slow down lol.

I watched tape for this fight and from what I saw Volk was easily the pick. Clearly from this thread people see things differently but I watched tape for both guys and didn't see why so many people were picking Aldo, but maybe I just got lucky obviously that plays a big part in picking any fight.

 

[HeadsUpPoker]

I put money on Bethe DEC. Its +400 and only 0,5 unit.

I think she has a chance to grind a victory out. Anyone else sees this happening? I mean, she has won over better opponents before.

I also chose Jared Cannoier - 1u.
Silvas chin is suspect at this stage. I dont think Cannoier will respect Silva and he has the power to knock him out. Silva gets hit these days sadly.

Andrade - 1u.
I think Rose is an excellent striker, but i must agree with the people saying that she will get taken down. Imo this is a styles-makes-fight kind of situation. Joana >Andrade > Rose > Joanna.

Luana carolina - 1u
I looked at her last 3 fights and she looks better and better. 2x brazilian muay thai champion and her clinch is very decent for mma. Her grappling also surprised me. Her opponent is wild and sloppy. She has power, but i dont think it is something that can catch a 2x brazilian muay thai champion of guard. She is way more technical and should be able to pick her apart.

Won 3/3 on my picks and 0-1 in prop bet.
Profit: 1,59 units.
I am not gonna argue on the Andrade v Rose fight as many have done in here. I think it is pretty pointless. Was i lucky? Maybe. Maybe not. I think both "camps" has valid points. Andrade looked better in round 2 and perhaps she could have tired rose out. But there is also the possibility that rose could have won 2 rounds if she didnt get slammmed and only need 1 more round. But arguing about it, just seems stupid.

I am just happy i did not bet in the Aldo vs Volkanovski fight prebet. I was leaning Aldo before, but was worried Volkanovski would come with a very hard pressure and that could break Aldo, but the way he lost.... Thats more dissapointing.

I won alot more on live betting this time. Got really good value on warley finish and volkanovski on points.

 

[Gugabe]

The slam KO was lucky, IMO, but I also think that Andrade was on the right path to win that fight. Rose was starting to slow, Andrade had a good chance of starting to pick up rounds.

Aldo was disappointing as hell. He got pressured/gassed against Holloway, but atleast he was trying to put up volume in response. Here he just seemed disinterested in actually doing anything.

The aldo didn’t want to fight thing is pretty lame and just takes away from volks game planning and execution. He fought the perfect fight to beat aldo. He won a unanimous 30-27 decision, in Brazil. But he’s really not impressive

I see Captain hindsight has really showed his face after this event

Volkanovski fought an intelligent gameplan, yes, but anybody can see that Aldo was looking flat as hell. Holloway ran a similar gameplan and actually got return fire, whilst Aldo just didn't seem to have the will to actually do anything. Hell, every time he actually threw he landed fairly easily. Just refused to chance it.

 

[ill800]

The slam KO was lucky, IMO, but I also think that Andrade was on the right path to win that fight. Rose was starting to slow, Andrade had a good chance of starting to pick up rounds.

Aldo was disappointing as hell. He got pressured/gassed against Holloway, but atleast he was trying to put up volume in response. Here he just seemed disinterested in actually doing anything.



Volkanovski fought an intelligent gameplan, yes, but anybody can see that Aldo was looking flat as hell. Holloway ran a similar gameplan and actually got return fire, whilst Aldo just didn't seem to have the will to actually do anything. Hell, every time he actually threw he landed fairly easily. Just refused to chance it.

Maybe he was looking for knockout shots too much. Didn’t help that volk wall and stalled him for at least a full rd

 

[Gugabe]

Maybe he was looking for knockout shots too much. Didn’t help that volk wall and stalled him for at least a full rd

He was looking for the KO shot, did fuck all to set it up and didn't really show any initiative. I agree.

I'm just saying you usually get a bit more out of Aldo. This Aldo loses to Kenny Florian. That fight did a lot more to make me downgrade Aldo than it had me upgrading Volkanovski.

 

[MidgardSerpent]

Congrats on you guys cashing on Volkanovski but let’s pump the brakes as uncle bald head likes to say lol

I like Volkanovski quite a bit and have bet him before a few times but betting him was no crazy sharp play let’s be real lol. Aldo simply didn’t want to fight at all and gave Volkanovski an easy win.

The line wasn’t really tempting neither. Aldo at close to pick em odds was the actual value side. Anyway he lost though, so congrats again to you guys but let’s slow down lol.

Volk DEC was @+400, which definitely had a lot of value, since it was Volk's most likely route to winning.

 

[Deleted member 560591]

The aldo didn’t want to fight thing is pretty lame and just takes away from volks game planning and execution. He fought the perfect fight to beat aldo. He won a unanimous 30-27 decision, in Brazil. But he’s really not impressive

I see Captain hindsight has really showed his face after this event

Easy to 30-27 someone who doesn’t throw any output. Doesn’t matter if it’s Brazil or the moon.

 

[Gugabe]

Volk DEC was @+400, which definitely had a lot of value, since it was Volk's most likely route to winning.

Was it? Most people'd have said Volk KO pre-fight since they'd assume Aldo would throw actual output and Volk's path to victory would be storming him to deplete that cardio with Aldo getting the early close rounds due to Brazil. Instead of Aldo just not getting off the bus.

 

[Deleted member 560591]

Was it? Most people'd have said Volk KO pre-fight since they'd assume Aldo would throw actual output and Volk's path to victory would be storming him to deplete that cardio with Aldo getting the early close rounds due to Brazil. Instead of Aldo just not getting off the bus.

We all thought it would look a bit like the Mendes fight or the Stephens fight. High pressure, high output, big punches.

Volkanovski was willing to fight on the outside for a while though. He didn’t take that many risks, so the openings in close range we saw before weren’t really there. Aldo couldn’t counter well. He slipped a lot of punches and showed great defence but he didn’t show us any offence. Except for a few good jabs which caught Volkanovski’s attention. That was all.

Volkanovski wins by pressure and high volume as we all know. I don’t think anyone expected him to fight "safe" and be successful with that gameplan against an explosive Aldo. That’s why I said that no one should act like this was some crazy sharp play.

 

[Gugabe]

We all thought it would look a bit like the Mendes fight or the Stephens fight. High pressure, high output, big punches.

Volkanovski was willing to fight on the outside for a while though. He didn’t take that many risks, so the openings in close range we saw before weren’t really there. Aldo couldn’t counter well. He slipped a lot of punches and showed great defence but he didn’t show us any offence. Except for a few good jabs which caught Volkanovski’s attention. That was all.

Volkanovski wins by pressure and high volume as we all know. I don’t think anyone expected him to fight "safe" and be successful with that gameplan against an explosive Aldo. That’s why I said that no one should act like this was some crazy sharp play.

Prettymuch. I expected something akin to Mendes-Volkanovski where Mendes atleast blew his load before mentally collapsing. Not just giving away the fight for no reason. And it's not like Volkanovski was running a hugely-elaborate pressure gameplan. Aldo rarely did anything to attempt to punish him for what he was doing. If you'd told me pre-match that 80% of the match was conducted at distance through jabs, I believe the sensible conclusion would be that Aldo would win the outside striking game due to demonstrating a ton of skill at it over the years.