Why do some fans not want fighters to get paid more?

[Tapioca Cold]

Seems weird that fans DON’T want fighters to get paid more.

Why does it bother them when people make threads about increasing fighter pay? Its not out if their pocket.

are they ufc shills?

do they just want UFC to be in control and dont want fighters being bigger than the brand?

I know you guys are out there. Explain yourselves.

Fighters are paid fine. What is your job? I'll put thousands down that says you'd change jobs with ANY fighter out there.

Guys that are extremely talented see the money. But if you're an undercard dude then you need to fight your way up. They're not gonna give you a mil to show you twats.

Sounds like you guys want to pay Canadian women's soccer team as much as the guys just because they play soccer.

Ngannou complaining about fighter pay and he turns down 8 mil vs Jones.

Should we pay all stage actors and actors in advertisements the same as Tom cruise?

Get fucked.

 

[Bearknuckle]

Fighters are paid fine. What is your job? I'll put thousands down that says you'd change jobs with ANY fighter out there.

Guys that are extremely talented see the money. But if you're an undercard dude then you need to fight your way up. They're not gonna give you a mil to show you twats.

Sounds like you guys want to pay Canadian women's soccer team as much as the guys just because they play soccer.

Ngannou complaining about fighter pay and he turns down 8 mil vs Jones.

Should we pay all stage actors and actors in advertisements the same as Tom cruise?

Get fucked.

I’d swap places with top fighters like conor and gsp and jones etc. i dont wanna brag about whatever i do, but i for sure would not swap jobs/lives with a journeyman fighter. Let alone ANY fighter.

basically everything you said explains my OP. Why do some fans not want fighters to get paid more?…..whats it matter to you? No ones saying give them 1 mil signing bonuses. But you have to know 15% of revenue is damn near criminal, yet theres guys like you that are adamant that all fighters are paid fine.

 

[Bearknuckle]

It's not anything against fighters getting paid more.

It's because those threads often come across as pointless virtue signaling posts, where thread starters can feel better about themselves by saying mean things about the #1 MMA Org, while the thread starter is not actually doing anything that brings real value.

That could be said about any post, asking for fighters to get title shots, saying bad judging etc.

if anything, voicing and making threads protesting is the biggest thing you can do. I can’t literally pay the fighters myself. The only thing fans can do is voice their opinion, ordering more ppvs and hot dog branders isn’t gonna pay fighters more.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Many of us live in a free country where you get paid the market value; it is called capitalism. It is not perfect but the pros greatly outweigh the cons. A lot of people resent rich people and claim Capitalism is unjust. Many young folks believe Socialism is a better system, share the wealth equally..... others understand that Socialism sounds great in theory but has never worked and never will.

Bottom line...fighter pay should increase and it is increasing....significantly. If you feel fighter pay is unfair, research why Strikeforce failed. Strikeforce committed big $ into contracts with Fedor, Henderson, "Bigfoot" Silva, Arlovski, Barnett and others. The PPV #'s did not cover the fighters cost and the company went to shit.

1st response nailed it.
And those same people probably think WNBA players deserve more money as well.
Let the market dictate what people should be paid.

 

[TheBulge]

My only concern is if money comes in the way of good fights being made. The sport of boxing was completely ruined this way.

 

[dreden1982]

how you people say let the market determine value like wtf? So no one should ever complain about prices or price gouging? insanely sophomoric response imo

 

[Billthebutcher]

some fans are cheap-ass broke idiots that stream UFC illegally. they post "support fighters" and "Dana sucks", while they themselves are the problem, because they don't really support the fighters, they just wanna bitch about it like cunts.

 

[lepsahekim]

strikeforce is strikeforce and the ufc is the ufc. completely different market positions and branding. the reason why capitalism is broken is because monopolies exist and stealing product is deemed fine by american legislation. it’s the reason all social media companies have the same features now. courts won’t allow you to trademark certain functions and mechanics as proprietary. so if you’re doing something cool, a bigger company with more money and resources can just take what you’re doing and do it better than you, and you can’t do shit about it.

That’s what’s best for the final consumer and most times those bigger companies are buying the smaller one if they have been successful and built up a decent business with those unique features. So th entrepreneurs and owners are getting paid, no need to get upset about it. We all benefit from this in the end.

 

[Kenny Powerth]

They need UFC welfare so the fighters who make more can pay they bills of the early prelim fighters

 

[TheNinja]

It's weird that anyone gives a shit.

This. I don’t care how much they get paid. They aren’t slaves. They are free to leave if they don’t like it. They know the current pay structure going into it. It’s not like it is a surprise to them that they aren’t making $2 mil per fight.

it’s not my problem how much another adult gets paid for his or her job.

 

[DestinedAussie]

Seems weird that fans DON’T want fighters to get paid more.

Why does it bother them when people make threads about increasing fighter pay? Its not out if their pocket.

are they ufc shills?

do they just want UFC to be in control and dont want fighters being bigger than the brand?

I know you guys are out there. Explain yourselves.

I don't think people don't want pay increased. Some people just feel the discussion is done to death and at the end of the day nobody on this forum can illict change. We also don't know how good/bad the UFC books are.

 

[Bearknuckle]

I don't think people don't want pay increased. Some people just feel the discussion is done to death and at the end of the day nobody on this forum can illict change. We also don't know how good/bad the UFC books are.

So because dana and the ufc continue to be greedy and underpay fighters, we should let it go? Nah thats not how change is made, fans and people have to push for change in everything we believe, or else the fighters lose and the boss wins.

 

[DestinedAussie]

So because dana and the ufc continue to be greedy and underpay fighters, we should let it go? Nah thats not how change is made, fans and people have to push for change in everything we believe, or else the fighters lose and the boss wins.

Then do something to elicit change. Buy shares in the company and use your votes to say the shareholders should get less of a return to give more to fighters. Go write protest outside UFC events and get press coverage. Hell, go write in the comments of every UFC social media and try to get under their skin. Do something meaningful that can lead to change if you believe that hard.

I am all for people discussing it here, but discussion here will not lead to meaningful change. Preaching to the converted. Everyone thinks the fighters deserve a bigger share. But the idea threads on sherdog will lead to meaningful change and that is why those threads are important is lol.

In fact we are all part of the problem. We all still consume the UFC product despite the treatment of the fighters. They have pretty much zero incentive to pay fighters more IMO. The fans are still tuning in. The fighters are still paid better than other orgs. The shareholders are happy with the way the UFC is being run. Look at fighters celebrate like they won lotto getting into the UFC on DWCS.

 

[Aluminati]

Probably the same idiots who think a $15 minimum wage would cause Big Mac prices to go up.

 

[Kryptt]

Then do something to elicit change. Buy shares in the company and use your votes to say the shareholders should get less of a return to give more to fighters. Go write protest outside UFC events and get press coverage. Hell, go write in the comments of every UFC social media and try to get under their skin. Do something meaningful that can lead to change if you believe that hard.

I am all for people discussing it here, but discussion here will not lead to meaningful change. Preaching to the converted. Everyone thinks the fighters deserve a bigger share. But the idea threads on sherdog will lead to meaningful change and that is why those threads are important is lol.

In fact we are all part of the problem. We all still consume the UFC product despite the treatment of the fighters. They have pretty much zero incentive to pay fighters more IMO. The fans are still tuning in. The fighters are still paid better than other orgs. The shareholders are happy with the way the UFC is being run. Look at fighters celebrate like they won lotto getting into the UFC on DWCS.

But that would require actual thought and work - It's so much easier to vent and cry here on the Dog!

 

[ComfortablyNumb55]

Because I'm a poor loser and misery loves company.

 

[Tweak896]

Because we just want to watch fights. As sad as the ufc having more control is, they will feed us the best fights we want because obviously they make more money from it. When the fighters have more control we see negotiations break down every turn, fighters taking years off or more inactive.

Basically I'm a fan first for good fights and whatever I observe makes the best ones happen I'm for it. I see poor fighters hungry for every challenge and fight all year whenever they can vs rich fighters who want to kick back and choose easiest fights. Just saying I liked the fighter mentality back when there was less money in the UFC.

 

[bjjwar]

The higher the fighter pay the sh*** will be the fights. Fighters who earn alot like Conor barely fight and Ngannou with his private jet and 500k watch just left. They start acting like diva’s and dont need the UFC anymore and dont give a damn about fighting anymore. So for fans its the worst possible thing.

 

[suffersystem]

This, Uncle Fester has all the sheep programmed too do his job. "Come sell your soul for 16% gross revenue". I've actually seen Shersheep argue that all fighters need to promote themselves for opportunities and pay bumps. They defend the same company who cheapened the product, by signing a bunch of regional talent, in order to meet an event quota that generates 750M guaranteed. This is the very deal that emboldened Dana to not promote and place his responsibilities on the fighters.

Dana can promote, he simply won't. If you need more evidence of this, just pay attention to how much work he's put into power slap. It's a meme of a product, but Dana promoted it on his pages, the UFC pages, TV, YouTube, everywhere. Yet it's hard to promote Fighters with actual highlight reels? Gtfo.

Those fighters who do promote themselves and make names for themselves do in fact get more money and more opportunities. Those guys who understand it, are makign the most of it such as Conor etc. If you think sports and pay is about skill then you have alot to elarn. The guys that make themselves known aside form the UFC push tend to get the pay bumps, this isn't rocket science I would imagine

 

[ferrisjso]

Crab in a barrell syndrome. Some oppressed people want reassurance that their suffering and was inevitable and couldn't have been changed thus seek to keep as many in the same boat as possible. "I suffered why shoudln't you". "This is how the world works".