Winning MS-600 vs Ringside IMF Tech **updated

[mmareviews.ca]

This is just a quick comparison between the 2 gloves. just curious what you winning whores think about the $285 pair of gloves loosing to a pair of $79 gloves. This is my personal preference nothing more. Both gloves are great and and not the same style but I figured is compare them as they are both well known for protecting your hands.

I apologize for the bad grammar English is my second language. I'm actually creating these reviews to practice my English writing skills. If you like my reviews and comparisons please let me know. i can keep them comming.

Winning vs Ringside Chart

Impact Absorption:Ringside edged out the winning gloves

Corner test (padding vs the corver of a wall): Slowly punching the corner of the wall i noticed that at around 20% power i would feel discomfort in the winning gloves. as for the IMF tech gloves i could go a bit heavier maybe 30% before feeling discomfort.

Flat wall test (hitting the wall with one glove on each hand starting at 20% power and slowly working your way up till you feel discomfort in the knuckles): They knuckle discomfort starting in the winning glove at around the 35-45% power mark and by the time i got to around 50-60% this discomfort started to feel like a stinging sensation on my knuckles. While the ringside IMF TECH glove just started to feel discomfort. Also the discomfort felt different with each glove

Heavy Bag test (different glove in each hand on 70lbs bag): Both gloves could handle a 70lbs bag with no discomfort to my hands. For testing hand protection this is a tie or i will need to go on a heavier bag.

Punch Yourself in the face drill (at around 30% power): it was 2 hard to tell which felt better or which felt worst. so this will be a tie for now.

Sparring test (one glove in each hand): I don't really spar at more then 60-70% as i don't want to be a douchebag so at 60-70% both gloves felt just fine to me, my hands didn't hurt at all no discomfort or anything. As for my sparring partner he said he didn't really noticed which felt worst to get hit by. he said when he stepped into my jab (winning glove) it sucked and it felt like he was going to have a black eye and when he got hit with a clean shot from the ringside glove it still sucked. so based on 3 6mins rounds of sparring i got no clean answer to which people prefer to get hit by, may have to widen the test subjects.

Wrist Support: Ringside gloves won hands down as my wrist area did feel a bit stiffer and much more supported. the winning velcro gloves were very flimsy in the wrist area when comparing the 2 gloves, however i noticed on the wall test that the ringside gloves did have more discomfort in the wrist from the impact. This might be do to the shock theory that denno provides below as the shock seems to bypass the knuckle area to be felt more in the wrist while the shock on the winning would be felt first on the knuckles. Keep in mind i did not wrap my hands or wrists for any of the impact tests as i wanted to get the most accurate comparison of each glove i could.

Quality Materials: Winning is known for higher quality materials but without bringing in the professionals in leather and foam I can only go by how they wear down to gauge the quality of the materials used and for me both gloves are still in great shape after 2 months and maybe 300-380mins of sparring no pad or bag work on both gloves. The ringside gloves have been used alot less then the winning.

Workmanship: Winning edged out ringside in this area mainly due to ringside's online reputation as of late otherwise the gloves both look perfect after 2months.

Comfort: Winning won again but they do have a larger hand compartment, so if you have smaller hands the ringsides imf tech may be better for you. In making a tight fist the winning were much better.

Comfort in Hitting the bag: i preferred the the way the winning's felt when hitting the bag, as i could make a tighter fist. Plus i liked how they felt when making contact with the bag i was really landing on the 2 larger knuckles. While in the Ringside gloves the impact felt more on the mid knuckles but i think this was more due to me not making a tight enough fist like i could in the winning gloves. However the ringside gloves felt much more snug and tight to my hand and wrist which was nice.

Price : Ringside IMF gloves $79 or Winning MS-600 $280

Value: Ringside they are a better bang for your buck. The IMF techs are more then a 1/4 of the price of the winning gloves. Are the winning gloves nice, the answer is yes. Are they 4times nicer then the Ringside IMF Tech gloves, hell no.

Impact Absorption: ringside wins
Wrist Support: Ringside wins
Quality Materials: TIE (if we went by reputation alone winning would win)
Workmanship: TIE (or winning by reputation)
Comfort: Winnings feel great but for smaller hands Ringside IMF tech gloves may be nicer for you if you prefer a snug fit.
Price: Ringside $79 or find them on sale due to cosmetic defects much less
Value: Ringside better bang for your buck
Winner: Ringside IMF tech gloves by 4 to 1 if you when comparing the gloves i have here or Ringside 4 to 3 based on internet reputation.

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[Francis]

just curious what you winning whores

This seems totally unbiased.

 

[ClampXVII]

I bought a pair of Winnings this year and sold them within the month. They're great gloves but I just couldn't justify having them. I found that there are a lot of gloves out there esp. from smaller companies that offer a similar NOT SAME protection as Winnings. The comfort is a different story though. Winnings are super comfy.

 

[mmareviews.ca]

This seems totally unbiased.

Just trying to get a reaction. I personally love the winning gloves but that may be because of their higher price tag. Kinda like when I was driving my uncles new caddy it made me feel like a pimp but is it better then a new Honda civic. If we compare the 2 on each category the caddy might not win out.

 

[ClampXVII]

I think that cars vs gear is not a good comparison but I get what you're saying.

 

[Airdyne23]

Winning whore here lol. I already compared the two in pics in this thread:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f67/ringside-imf-tech-training-gloves-elastic-cuff-16oz-w-pics-1728927/

I'll go through your points one by one. The main thing I want to stress is that Winning are boxing gloves by design. If you do Muay Thai, Kickboxing, MMA or another art that divides it's time between punches, kicks, knees etc these will be overkill. They are designed for heavy specialist use with punches.

Winning Padding- "Good padding but the padding is a bit thinner then the IMF tech".

I'd say the two have nearly the same amount of padding, it's hard to compare though. In terms of quality though, the Winning padding is much better quality. I love IMF but it's basically just a big foam shield. I notice the first test was punching a wall lol, kind of hurts your credibility as a reviewer?

The reason so many companies like TU have failed to make a good Winning clone is that they copy the shape. Anyone can make a glove with more padding than Winning, but no one has made a glove that performs as well.

Winning Wrist Support- "Flimsy wrist support"

Well you don't specify if your using the velcro or lace-up (of either). Kind of unfair.

I would say the lace up Winnings have some of the best wrist support out there, lace-up gloves are great. The velcro not so much, but if your comparing to the elastic cover IMF tech they are about the same. You need to be specific here.

Winning material quality- "to hard to tell"

WTF? It's immediately evident upon holding them that they use exceptional materials. The leather, the stitching, even the laces themselves are the best quality you can get. Ringside on the other hand has known quality control issues on the IMF (hence the sales for $35). Poor stitching in places, the lining bunches up and the logos are shoddy at times.

Durability- "?"

Get rid of the question mark mate, they last forever. Ask Juan Manuel Marquez.

Ringside on the other hand, the padding lasts for ages but the rest of the glove will fall apart in 6-18 months, especially the elastic cuff version.

Conclusion- I love my IMF gloves and use them every week at come point, but they don't come close to Winning IMO. I've only seen a handful of pros use them (saw Sergio Martinez using some on the bag), the rest use Winning.

I'd give the Ringside IMF a solid 8 and Winning a 10 (despite the price). I guess it's up to the individual to decide if they are willing to spend that much on gloves.

If your not, the Ringside will be perfectly fine. I'm using mine today in fact.

Thanks for the review mate! Looking forward to some pics!

 

[Airdyne23]

Corner test (padding vs the corver of a wall): Ringside won i could feel the knuckle touch the wall on the winning very quickly with not much pressure
Flat wall test: hitting the wall with both gloves there was knuckle discomfort in both but i feel it took at least 2-3 punches more from the ringside glove to start producing the discomfort. and the discomfort felt different with each glove
Heavy Bag: they both felt great

Also, those first 2 wall "tests" are completely stupid. Honestly.

It's interesting how when you actually used them for training and not for the pointless "tests" above you started to get a different picture.

 

[mmareviews.ca]

Also, those first 2 wall "tests" are completely stupid. Honestly.

It's interesting how when you actually used them for training and not for the pointless "tests" above you started to get a different picture.

You know a better way to test the gloves for impact absorbtion? I don't have big fancy mechines hooked up to computers.

So a solid wall works nice for this put a glove on each hand and start hitting the wall start slowly and work up the speed and power. When you feel discomfort stop. Winning lost that test but not by much.

As for quality materials you can't really tell unless you work with leather on a daily basis. However the stitching did look thicker on the winning gloves. The only way to test out the quality of the foam or leather would be to rip open the gloves and bring the foam and or leather to someone who knows what they are talking about I'm not going to rip this gear open unless someone pays me.

As for workmanship I gave it to winning mainly because of reputation. Otherwise when looking at both these gloves they look perfect.

The winning gloves are velcro and the wrist support test is how easy can I fold the gloves at the wrist area if they are flimsy and fold easily then they don't provide good wrist support.

Thanks for your input denno

 

[Airdyne23]

You know a better way to test the gloves for impact absorbtion? I don't have big fancy mechines hooked up to computers.

Bag work, mitt work and sparring. Seeing as that's what you'll be doing with the gloves anyway. Not trying to be a smartass, but the wall tests or even picking a glove up and squeezing the padding aren't really very useful indicators.

People should resist the temptation to just squeeze or push the padding and decide if that makes it good or not.

So a solid wall works nice for this put a glove on each hand and start hitting the wall start slowly and work up the speed and power. When you feel discomfort stop. Winning lost that test but not by much.

The IMF foam has a hell of a lot more rebound effect than the Winning. People mistake this for absorbtion but long term that kinetic energy is going back into your arms/shoulders. They still protect great for punching though.

However, that kind of padding works less well when you are actually taking punches. Winning are much better for this. People get so caught up in the punching aspect that they forget that it's only 50% of the equation.

Winning > Ringside for sparring. Forget hitting the wall, try hitting a person and have them hit you, you'll see what I mean.

As for quality materials you can't really tell unless you work with leather on a daily basis. However the stitching did look thicker on the winning gloves. The only way to test out the quality of the foam or leather would be to rip open the gloves and bring the foam and or leather to someone who knows what they are talking about I'm not going to rip this gear open unless someone pays me.

Quite untrue. The materials speak for themselves in terms of performance, especially the padding during actual training. You don't need to tear open a pair of gloves to know the difference.

Using that logic I could say that Walmart gloves are just as good as Ringside because I've never torn open both pairs to be 100% sure.

Winning gloves are lighter, more protective, more durable and IMO they look much nicer than Ringside (thats a personal preference though).

If they weren't, why would pros pay to use them? You do know that Winning doesn't sponsor fighters don't you?

As for workmanship I gave it to winning mainly because of reputation. Otherwise when looking at both these gloves they look perfect.

Depends. The IMF's on sale had some issues in how they looked. Mine weren't on sale and look good to me, but nonetheless the leather isn't as glossy and the screen printing is adequate but not good (again this isn't a big deal really).

However, some people have noted that since they are now manufactured in Pakistan and not China, the quality has dropped off significantly. I'm not 100% sure how true that is though, but there are a few people who pointed out quality control issues on the IMF tech.

Ringside IMF Tech Bag Gloves (Don't Buy!!!) - East Side Boxing Forum

The winning gloves are velcro and the wrist support test is how easy can I fold the gloves at the wrist area if they are flimsy and fold easily then they don't provide good wrist support.

Thanks for your input denno

I definately agree with this, but in general you can say this about most velcro gloves. The elastic sleeve IMF's I have do the same thing.

The lace-ups in either model are much better for wrist support (as are nearly all lace-up gloves).

Like I said before, these are specialist boxing gloves and many MMA practicioners will agree with you I'd say. Both Winning & Ringside make great products though, I would and do happily use either.

But try doing 80 rounds of boxing sparring in a month and you'll probably like Winning as much as I do.

Once again, good review though! Next time how about ditching the wall tests and doing some sparring instead? Unless you regularly pick fights with walls.

 

[mmareviews.ca]

Bag work, mitt work and sparring. Seeing as that's what you'll be doing with the gloves anyway. Not trying to be a smartass, but the wall tests or even picking a glove up and squeezing the padding aren't really very useful indicators.

People should resist the temptation to just squeeze or push the padding and decide if that makes it good or not.

I can do a test on the bag as well with a winning on one hand and IMF tech on the other, and go 100% no wraps but the results from the wall test (concrete wall)were fine for me, as they were the cloosest i can get to a controled eviroment and from that test the IMF tech out performed the winnings by just a few punches before discomfort. And if they can outperform them on a concrete wall then i assume logically they should out perform them on pads, the bag and sparring with it comes to protecting your hands.

The IMF foam has a hell of a lot more rebound effect than the Winning. People mistake this for absorbtion but long term that kinetic energy is going back into your arms/shoulders. They still protect great for punching though.

Damn now you got me picturing if i push hard enough i can shot pennies at people from all the kenitic energy that can be stored in the imf tech padding. that would be cool.

However, that kind of padding works less well when you are actually taking punches. Winning are much better for this. People get so caught up in the punching aspect that they forget that it's only 50% of the equation.

Winning > Ringside for sparring. Forget hitting the wall, try hitting a person and have them hit you, you'll see what I mean.

That would be fine for a regular reveiw but sparring is so Dynamic it would be hard to create a good control test i could see if anyone wants to take some punches in the face for my comparision test of the gloves but i don't think i would get any volunteers i might get alot of laughs. i could volunteer myself but i would have to find someone that i trust to punch me in the face at like 60% to see which glove i perfer to get hit with but my brain is more valuble then this comparision test. I could just spar with one glove on each hand like i did for the wall test and ask for feedback as my training patner is getting hit in the face. Or i can just punch myself n the face and see which feels better. So there are a few things i can play with to make this comparision better. thanks for pointing that out.

Quite untrue. The materials speak for themselves in terms of performance, especially the padding during actual training. You don't need to tear open a pair of gloves to know the difference.

I don't think so for this a comparision like this i make it a tie as i can't truely judge which leather is better, or which padding is better hell you even said that the imf tech padding last for a few years while the glove does not.

Using that logic I could say that Walmart gloves are just as good as Ringside because I've never torn open both pairs to be 100% sure.

walmart gloves are PVC so to be fair you'd want to compare them to ringside PVC gloves, hell the average joe can't tell the differance between leather and PVC gloves anyway, and i won't even pretent i can tell the differances in leathers.

I definately agree with this, but in general you can say this about most velcro gloves. The elastic sleeve IMF's I have do the same thing.

My ringside IMF TECH are stiffer but they do it to just not as easily mainly becasue of the 2 thick padded areas on he palm area.


I love this Denno you really got me thinking about how i can make these reveiws better. got to run no time to finish this post

 

[Airdyne23]

I can do a test on the bag as well with a winning on one hand and IMF tech on the other, and go 100% no wraps but the results from the wall test (concrete wall)were fine for me, as they were the cloosest i can get to a controled eviroment and from that test the IMF tech out performed the winnings by just a few punches before discomfort.

There is nothing scientific or "controlled" at all about hitting a wall compared to hitting a heavy bag. I don't know what you've been smoking to come up with that.This isn't a science experiment.

And if they can outperform them on a concrete wall then i assume logically they should out perform them on pads, the bag and sparring with it comes to protecting your hands.

This isn't like saying if you can do 20 pushups max then you should easily be able to do 10. Hitting a person is nothing like hitting concrete. You know what resembles a human body more closely? A heavy bag. Hence the reason fighters don't hit concrete walls.

Your logical assumption is completely false. It seems like your another Sherdog member who doesn't actually spar or compete, you just like to hit the heavy bag 3 days a week and hit some curls in the smith machine rack as well.

I guess all your moms basement has is brick walls and no sparring partners eh.

Damn now you got me picturing if i push hard enough i can shot pennies at people from all the kenitic energy that can be stored in the imf tech padding. that would be cool.

None of the energy is stored in the padding, it is transferred back into your joints when you punch. It's called shock- you know, the reason people wear gloves for training in the first place?

Maybe you've come across the term kinetic energy in your scientific studies testing gloves? :icon_lol:

If not, seventh grade is fast approaching and I'm sure you'll learn it then.

That would be fine for a regular reveiw but sparring is so Dynamic it would be hard to create a good control test.

Nice excuse!

I forgot this wasn't a regular review, this is a review for people who want to hit walls.

Don't worry, we all know what you really mean is "I don't spar and I never have".

I don't think so for this a comparision like this i make it a tie as i can't truely judge which leather is better

And then you go on to say...

and i won't even pretent i can tell the differances in leathers.

Cool, so your at least acknowledging that you don't know quality when you see it, much like every other aspect of gear reviewing I see.

Let me tell you, Winning have nicer leather, check my pics I posted on the first page. And if I'm just a Winning whore, why not ask someone else on this board what they think?

I love this Denno you really got me thinking about how i can make these reveiws better. got to run no time to finish this post

No worries mate, I try to help. Perhaps next time you can write a review for people who train in the real world with real people. But I understand your busy preparing for your next fight against a scaffolding, or maybe even a suspension bridge. In between recess and lunch that is.

Good luck in the laboratory champ, if you need to sell those Winnings I'm happy to give them a good home in an actual boxing gym. It's obvious you've got buyers remorse for dropping the coin on them (I assume, you haven't actually posted any pics yet). No need to blame Winning though mate.

In the meantime focus less on science classes at school and more on English. Join an actual gym and compete with real people, then come back and put your experience and grammar to work writing a review that isn't complete BS.

 

[GFG]

haha this is pretty funny stuff you guys are bickering like 2 old ladies over little details, if a glove can protect you better when hitting a concrete wall i'd be more confident that it can protect my hands when hitting a person or a bag.

keep it up guys if you two keep making me laugh i may have to send you both something to review for sherdog.

Mike @ Gorilla

 

[Bennosuke]

I'm not going to pretend I know the engineering behind the padding in gloves. I agree with Denno, that the wall test is flawed in many ways. It is impossible to guarantee that you hit the wall with the same force with the same part of your hand with each glove. It is impossible to guarantee that you didn't have any bias about the gloves based on anything from how much you paid to what they look like.

That said, almost all the reviews on here are written based on opinion, not on the scientific analysis they did, so mmareviews.ca has every right to say his opinion/his experience with both gloves. What would be interesting, would be to have a bunch of your friends, who know nothing about gloves try hitting the wall with both pairs. Randomize who tries which glove first, and ask them which glove they thought was more protecive. That would probably a much more accurate test.

 

[tiger.shark]

Can't take your reviews seriously.

No details, and a wall test?

GTFO

 

[Dim Sum Punch]

This is getting good

 

[Airdyne23]

haha this is pretty funny stuff you guys are bickering like 2 old ladies over little details, if a glove can protect you better when hitting a concrete wall i'd be more confident that it can protect my hands when hitting a person or a bag.

keep it up guys if you two keep making me laugh i may have to send you both something to review for sherdog.

Mike @ Gorilla

Please send me some stuff to review i'm begging you.

As for the wall test, it's pointless and potentially risks injury.

Why not test headgear by having someone slam a baseball bat in to your head and then say "shit dude if it can take a bat to the head it MUST be good".

Gloves are for gym and sparring, so test them there.

Can't take your reviews seriously.

No details, and a wall test?

GTFO

More importantly, where are the pics? I'll bet there aren't any and TS is full of it.

Wouldn't mind seeing a vid of TS sparring in both of them as well, just for the lulz.

Looks like some kid just wanted to get some attention and post a bogus review, he probably really likes his IMF's and hasn't got enough allowance money to get anything better.

Prove me wrong TS- post them side by side. Why not throw in a fan sign just to make me eat my words?

Bring it. :icon_twis

 

[tiger.shark]

To be honest, stuff like this is why I HATE review websites! More often than not it is someone without a lot of gear experience who just wants to have fun. OK, that's cool and all, but doing reviews should be from people that know what they are talking about while also staying 100% unbiased.

 

[mikiemike87]

I vouch for Denno getting free gear. If you want to see your gear compares with 2/3 of the trifecta as I call it ( Winnings, Cletos, Grants) He has winnings and cletos in various sizes. Also if I remember correctly from previous posts he's a boxing trainer and not just a practitioner. I love trainer insight on gear like Clamp's reviews.

I will say he can be a bit antogonistic, but regardless he does great reviews. Just don't talk bad about Winning!

With that said, thank you mmareviews for posting this review. I love comparison reviews!

 

[mmareviews.ca]

There is nothing scientific or "controlled" at all about hitting a wall compared to hitting a heavy bag. I don't know what you've been smoking to come up with that.This isn't a science experiment.

I wish myth busters would be testing fight gear they'd be making some cool equipment, using crash test dummies and recording everything with detailed instruments. now that would be some real product reviews.

This isn't like saying if you can do 20 pushups max then you should easily be able to do 10.

What are you talking about? if you can do 20 pushups wouldn't 10 be easier

Hitting a person is nothing like hitting concrete. You know what resembles a human body more closely? A heavy bag. Hence the reason fighters don't hit concrete walls.

People are not like hitting concrete walls and they sure the hell are not like hitting heavy bags. Have you even hit someone that felt like a heavy bag i know i haven't. people are nice and soft and at least try to absorb punches and kicks the best they can so they don't get hurt. When i knee, punch, kick someone in sparring i barely notice making contact. the only time i notice making contact is if i land on a hard block, or if i hit an elbow, hip or knee.

Wall test was just a test to see which glove would protect your hands better that is nothing more.

Your logical assumption is completely false. It seems like your another Sherdog member who doesn't actually spar or compete, you just like to hit the heavy bag 3 days a week and hit some curls in the smith machine rack as well.

2 days of stand-up and 2 days of ground 80% of that time is spent rolling, and sparring.

I guess all your moms basement has is brick walls and no sparring partners eh.

Nice

None of the energy is stored in the padding, it is transferred back into your joints when you punch. It's called shock- you know, the reason people wear gloves for training in the first place?

Maybe you've come across the term kinetic energy in your scientific studies testing gloves? :icon_lol:

I swore you said some bullshit about kinetic energy and how the IMF may protect your hands but not your partners faces, in one of your earlier posts. let me find it for you.

The IMF foam has a hell of a lot more rebound effect than the Winning. People mistake this for absorbtion but long term that kinetic energy is going back into your arms/shoulders. They still protect great for punching though.

Ok i see what you ment i pictured the kenetic energy of that padding going back into someone's face like if i was going to pull back on an arrow and shot it at a target but you ment on impact the energy is rebounded back into your arms after you hit the target.

Cool, so your at least acknowledging that you don't know quality when you see it, much like every other aspect of gear reviewing I see.

No i'm just not going to pretend i do like i stated before until shit start falling apart then i'll make comments on that.

Let me tell you, Winning have nicer leather, check my pics

I'll check out your post but it won't affect this comparison as it's not these gloves i have in front of me right now.

Good luck in the laboratory champ, if you need to sell those Winnings I'm happy to give them a good home in an actual boxing gym. It's obvious you've got buyers remorse for dropping the coin on them (I assume, you haven't actually posted any pics yet). No need to blame Winning though mate.

Mike from Gorilla has already offered to take them off my hands in exchange for some gear. He'll probably just rip them apart to see how they are made and throw them away.

In the meantime focus less on science classes at school and more on English. Join an actual gym and compete with real people, then come back and put your experience and grammar to work writing a review that isn't complete BS.

Other then mauy thai and jits, i'm a geek and english is a second language that i'm not good at and never will. I'm not a keyboard warrior so i don't put the same amount of time to practicing my writing as others online. This is the most i will ever have to write for a long time. This review is not BS sorry. Wow how did this turn into a personal attack.