How would Cormier vs Prime Fedor go down?

[kflo]

Combat SAMBO definitely isn't BJJ but at the same time it's similar in that there's a LOT of submission grappling. Fedor reached the absolute highest level in SAMBO, like Roger Gracie in BJJ.

Combat sambo is NOT the highest level of submission grappling and it does not put him on level of a roger Gracie. Aleks reached the highest level too.....

Depends how much stock you put into SAMBO's submission grappling credentials I guess... But I would think without question that prime Fedor's submission grappling is many, many, many leagues above Cormier's... The fact he stopped grappling almost entirely despite it being what made him great, probably says something about his body's ability to physically handle grappling.

Again, you can’t elevate combat sambo to that level. Fedor is definitely better at submissions than dc and more likely to catch dc than vice versa, of course. That doesn’t mean he’s going to dominate all grappling exchanges or that it’s likely he’d get a sub.

 

[PancraseForever]

Combat sambo is NOT the highest level of submission grappling and it does not put him on level of a roger Gracie. Aleks reached the highest level too.....




Again, you can’t elevate combat sambo to that level. Fedor is definitely better at submissions than dc and more likely to catch dc than vice versa, of course. That doesn’t mean he’s going to dominate all grappling exchanges or that it’s likely he’d get a sub.

I didn't say Combat Sambo is the highest level of submission grappling, I said he achieved a similar level in that sport to what Roger achieved in BJJ, and Sambo does have a lot of submission grappling (and grappling in general)... So how much stock you place on that is up to you. I don't know much about the sport.

I do know though, that Fedor reversed Randleman - who isn't nearly as good of a wrestler as DC, but does have good wrestling credentials (as well as being VERY likely roided to the gills).

 

[thobra]

He beat grapplers he could control where the fight took place and he beat wrestlers who weren’t nearly as trained in submission grappling as Cormier (or as good striking). And lol, nice spin - I never claimed dc was a prodigy....just that he has put a lot of time on the mat training bjj.

I was asking how combat sambo makes you comfortable with high level wrestlers..

Sambo is a combination of Judo And Wrestling. Sambo practitioners train with wrestlers. I would think a multiple world champion And the Pride of Russia fly in the biggest And best Wrestlers in the country every day. Every day. Bigger And better than DC. That is also why Wrestlers will be easy opponents for Khabib.

Comparing DCs BJJ to a Sambo world champion that was undefeated for 8 years is silly. Only a huge DC fan that believes all the UFC hype would make such a dumb claim.

 

[kflo]

Sambo is a combination of Judo And Wrestling. Sambo practitioners train with wrestlers. I would think a multiple world champion And the Pride of Russia fly in the biggest And best Wrestlers in the country every day. Every day. Bigger And better than DC. That is also why Wrestlers will be easy opponents for Khabib.

Comparing DCs BJJ to a Sambo world champion that was undefeated for 8 years is silly. Only a huge DC fan that believes all the UFC hype would make such a dumb claim.

Again, you’re making this up. He was a combat sambo champ. It wasn’t big. They just started doing world championships. Lol at flying the best wrestlers. Wrestling was and is much bigger than fuckin combat sambo.

Sport sambo has a much bigger talent pool than combat sambo and both are smaller than wrestling and judo. Fedor has had no-shows in big matches.

Again, aleks was a combat sambo champ too.

 

[NoSmilez]

Part of the reason we don't see it much though is that very few fighters have the skill level needed to pull it off and indeed fewer fighters willing to fight off of their backs. I mean Fedor himself was obviously capable to changing to more US tactics as well, look at he second Coleman fight were he shut down his wrestling and beat him up all the first round.

People would say that skill levels have advanced but Jon Jones almost got subbed by Vitor in exactly the same way Fedor subbed Coleman in the rematch, indeed had that been Fedor I don't think he'd have escaped.

Jones used to like to sit in guard so he can throw elbows. Ever since that fight, he doesn't do it anymore. He is way more conservative with his ground game now. Jones doesn't takedown anyone unless he has worn you out from the outside. Guys from AKA like DC don't even go into guard, they rather ride the leg or bypass guard. Earlier in DC's career, he used to dabble in going into people's guard but he doesn't stay there long. You can see progression of beating someone on the ground as a whole team.

It's hard to compare generational skill set. You can see the style change within MMA competition. Guys like Coleman used to end up in guard all the time with a takedown or they actively go into guard. The newer guys nowadays all takedown from the fence since it's low risk and high reward. You don't see people shoot power doubles anymore. You also don't see anyone play closed guard or armbar from the guard. Don't get me wrong, there are HW guard players like Mir or Werdum that are dangerous. Fedor's armbar from guard isn't a technical one; he rarely sets it up and he just goes for it since he is explosive as hell.

 

[thobra]

Again, you’re making this up. He was a combat sambo champ. It wasn’t big. They just started doing world championships. Lol at flying the best wrestlers. Wrestling was and is much bigger than fuckin combat sambo.

Sport sambo has a much bigger talent pool than combat sambo and both are smaller than wrestling and judo. Fedor has had no-shows in big matches.

Again, aleks was a combat sambo champ too.

Alex was not undefeated for 8 years, but Him vs Cormier would be an interesting fight. Sambo is a russian sport, so it is smaller than wrestling. K1 was also much smaller than boxing. In combat Sambo they train with the best Wrestlers And Judokas. They even fly in Sumos for takedowns.

 

[kflo]

Alex was not undefeated for 8 years, but Him vs Cormier would be an interesting fight. Sambo is a russian sport, so it is smaller than wrestling. K1 was also much smaller than boxing. In combat Sambo they train with the best Wrestlers And Judokas. They even fly in Sumos for takedowns.

Again where is evidence they train with the best wrestlers and judokas? Maybe fedor did later in his career when he was more famous but your average top combat sambo guy isn’t getting top national wrestlers.

 

[WARinsertname]

I don’t understand why people don’t think dc wrestling for as long and at as high a level as he did wasn’t taxing on his body. Fedor didn’t get concussed much through his early 30s, which is what really impacts guys ability to take damage.

One has been doing combat sambo, MMA since his childhood...The other wrestled and only began taking contact hits in his 30's.

You do the math cupcake.

 

[kflo]

One has been doing combat sambo, MMA since his childhood...The other wrestled and only began taking contact hits in his 30's.

You do the math cupcake.

Lol at combat sambo and mma since childhood.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Crybaby Fatass DC gets knocked the fuck out by Stoic Russian Real Man Fatass Fedor

 

[NoSmilez]

Sambo is a combination of Judo And Wrestling. Sambo practitioners train with wrestlers. I would think a multiple world champion And the Pride of Russia fly in the biggest And best Wrestlers in the country every day. Every day. Bigger And better than DC. That is also why Wrestlers will be easy opponents for Khabib.

Comparing DCs BJJ to a Sambo world champion that was undefeated for 8 years is silly. Only a huge DC fan that believes all the UFC hype would make such a dumb claim.

Closed guard isn't practiced in Sambo. Fedor won his championship in Combat Sambo which is a really new international sport. Even Pride is older than combat Sambo. Fedor's guard game isn't spectacular. He has an armbar from it and no sweeps/retaining guard. Fedor has good reversals but I doubt he is able to do that to high level top guy. You seen him being mounted before and unable to just explode up.
This is going to trigger some but Combat Sambo is a sport for folks who failed Judo, Wrestling or even regular Sambo....

 

[thobra]

Again where is evidence they train with the best wrestlers and judokas? Maybe fedor did later in his career when he was more famous but your average top combat sambo guy isn’t getting top national wrestlers.

They Are. In Russia it is a big deal, snd it is about pride. Talented kids get attention from they Are very young, And even go away to train away from the home. My brother did combat Sambo for a couple of years. They had focus on bringing in many martial arts to practice with, but it is obviously mostly Wrestlers and judokas. We Are not russians.

Seems you Are just making something up?

 

[thobra]

Closed guard isn't practiced in Sambo. Fedor won his championship in Combat Sambo which is a really new international sport. Even Pride is older than combat Sambo. Fedor's guard game isn't spectacular. He has an armbar from it and no sweeps/retaining guard. Fedor has good reversals but I doubt he is able to do that to high level top guy. You seen him being mounted before and unable to just explode up.
This is going to trigger some but Combat Sambo is a sport for folks who failed Judo, Wrestling or even regular Sambo....

I say he is quite spectacular in guard, always coming up on top. He was also among the top 10-15 bust judokas in Russia, which is a big deal. Being mounted by DC is so much different than others?

So mma is also a sport for guys who failed other martial arts? This is probably the silliest post this year.

 

[kflo]

They Are. In Russia it is a big deal, snd it is about pride. Talented kids get attention from they Are very young, And even go away to train away from the home. My brother did combat Sambo for a couple of years. They had focus on bringing in many martial arts to practice with, but it is obviously mostly Wrestlers and judokas. We Are not russians.

Seems you Are just making something up?

Again, it’s much smaller than the other sports. Top wrestlers aren’t being used to train combat sambo guys. It’s like Floyd sparring with a kick boxer to help them train.

 

[kflo]

I say he is quite spectacular in guard, always coming up on top. He was also among the top 10-15 bust judokas in Russia, which is a big deal. Being mounted by DC is so much different than others?

So mma is also a sport for guys who failed other martial arts? This is probably the silliest post this year.

Currently mma is much bigger than being at the top of most other marital arts. It’s not a comparable analogy.

 

[AdamantiumPimmel]

Good fight, but I say Fedor KOs him in the 2nd round with a right hook

i think dc hurts him like fujita...

...but instead of having weird epileptic twitches, just stays cool and finishes him...

 

[thobra]

Again, it’s much smaller than the other sports. Top wrestlers aren’t being used to train combat sambo guys. It’s like Floyd sparring with a kick boxer to help them train.

Yes, it is smaller, but wrestling is a huge part of Sambo. That is also why they train with pure Wrestlers every day.

Wrestlers never train with Sambo guys, And Floyd would never train with a kickboxer, because it is not a part of their game. However, in kickboxing we trained with boxers all the time, because of their handspeed. Sambo guys train with judokas snd Wrestlers. Mma guys train with boxers And judokas And wrestler. Is this so hard to get?

That is also why wrestlers struggle so much with high level ssmbo practitioners. They have the great combination of wrestling, judo throws, submissions, And strikes that transition to clinch And takedowns. Khabib is Also a great example.

 

[thobra]

Currently mma is much bigger than being at the top of most other marital arts. It’s not a comparable analogy.

It is a great analogy. Being at the top of combat Sambo in Russia is huge, snd give you great power And fame. More than Judo or Wrestling. That is just your ignorance again.

 

[kflo]

Yes, it is smaller, but wrestling is a huge part of Sambo. That is also why they train with pure Wrestlers every day.

Wrestlers never train with Sambo guys, And Floyd would never train with a kickboxer, because it is not a part of their game. However, in kickboxing we trained with boxers all the time, because of their handspeed. Sambo guys train with judokas snd Wrestlers. Mma guys train with boxers And judokas And wrestler. Is this so hard to get?

That is also why wrestlers struggle so much with high level ssmbo practitioners. They have the great combination of wrestling, judo throws, submissions, And strikes that transition to clinch And takedowns. Khabib is Also a great example.

What you’re not getting is you’re not getting elite wrestlers or boxers to donate their time to train you for your relatively minor league event.

 

[thobra]

What you’re not getting is you’re not getting elite wrestlers or boxers to donate their time to train you for your relatively minor league event.

Sure...Top wrestlers Are so high earners...

I don’t want to be rude, but you really know very little of this, my friend... I am having a discussion with a guy that is making things up And just guessing. I am too old to waste time on a troll... good night.