For those with experience. What is the best assault rifle on the planet? or the top 2 or 3?

[Benny Viper]

Aug

 

[mooseman17]

Lol oh boy. The Seaside chronicles finally take the turn we were all waiting for.

 

[Graves The Elder]

don't hurt yourself, Pilgrim

 

[Roaming East]

AR-15 without question.

 

[lsa]

So an angry women hating Muslim incel troll wants to buy an assault rifle...

 

[RerouteToRemain]

AR and it isn't close.

Caliber selection is dependent on role.

 

[Caudillo]

So an angry women hating Muslim incel troll wants to buy an assault rifle...

i love women, and tinder and dating apps.

don't hurt yourself, Pilgrim

AR-15 without question.

how? a semi automatic is somehow better than newer and more durable refined weapons? I think the HK 416 and the new M4´s and new versions of Ak47 and ak74m are the best on the planet.

 

[Gregolian]

how? a semi automatic is somehow better than newer and more durable refined weapons? I think the HK 416 and the new M4´s and new versions of Ak47 and ak74m are the best on the planet.

An HK 416 civilian model like SCARs cost you the price of a down payment on a brand new like BMW 3 series. And when they break they're FUCKED.


Meanwhile, you can get a more than serviceable Colt 6920 for like... $1000. HK 416 civilian model is like $3000.

The Russians are moving BACK to regular AK47s because the smaller round of the AK74 isn't penetrating armor. Also, in the US you probably have an easier time of finding .223 or 5.56 ammo as plenty of ranchers have the Mini 14 or bolt guns in the caliber for chasing off coyotes and shit.

 

[Caudillo]

An HK 416 civilian model like SCARs cost you the price of a down payment on a brand new like BMW 3 series. And when they break they're FUCKED.


Meanwhile, you can get a more than serviceable Colt 6920 for like... $1000. HK 416 civilian model is like $3000.

The Russians are moving BACK to regular AK47s because the smaller round of the AK74 isn't penetrating armor. Also, in the US you probably have an easier time of finding .223 or 5.56 ammo as plenty of ranchers have the Mini 14 or bolt guns in the caliber for chasing off coyotes and shit.

i am talking in terms of a military application man. Cost is not an issue for governments and ammo 5.56, or 7.62x39 are the most accessible ammo in the world next to 9mm and shotgun shells.

For civilians sure you have a point. I am not too expert on US gun laws, i just know that it is very hard in the US to get fully automatic weapons and that the AR15 is the best thing you can get. But can it fire with sand or mud or water in it like the HK416 millitary versions? or Ak47´s?? The answer is noooo

 

[Gregolian]

AR15 is the best thing you can get. But can it fire with sand or mud or water in it like the HK416 millitary versions? or Ak47´s?? The answer is noooo

You're working with info from the fucking 1960s dude.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

how? a semi automatic is somehow better than newer and more durable refined weapons? I think the HK 416 and the new M4´s and new versions of Ak47 and ak74m are the best on the planet.

The M4 is an AR with an auto sear...

Also an AR is very vague there are very low to extremely high end manufacturers of said AR's.

Most high end AR manufacturers are built well beyond milspec.

 

[Caudillo]

You're working with info from the fucking 1960s dude.

i am working off future weapons info and stuff from youtube. As far as i know the ar15 is civilian weapon. You are telling me this is superior to MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS?

If so then i know to ignore you

The M4 is an AR with an auto sear...

Also an AR is very vague there are very low to extremely high end manufacturers of said AR's.

Most high end AR manufacturers are built well beyond milspec.

 

[Gregolian]

i am working off future weapons info and stuff from youtube. As far as i know the ar15 is civilian weapon. You are telling me this is superior to MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS?

If so then i know to ignore you

You know the military goes with the lowest possible bidder right?

Daniel Defense makes top tier civilian AR15s and THEY are the company that produces the M4s that groups like Delta and Rangers use.

https://www.quora.com/What-does-military-grade-mean

As commercials for trucks and heavy duty equipment flash across your television, saying they're strong and equipped with "military grade" materials, have you ever taken a moment and thought: Huh, what does it take to make a material "military grade"?

Turns out, not too much.

The term "military grade" when not referring to a mil spec is 100 percent a marketing term used interchangeably with words like strong, tough, intense and high-quality. It links their product with some of the highest-rated products in the world.

Even when something is made to a mil spec, that doesn't necessarily mean it's good. It just means it's interchangeable. Mil spec weapons, for instance, tend to be machined pretty loose in comparison to how tight they could be. A lot of times a mil spec just takes an existing industry standard and gives it a new code.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

i am working off future weapons info and stuff from youtube. As far as i know the ar15 is civilian weapon. You are telling me this is superior to MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS?

If so then i know to ignore you

The AR15 is an M4 without an auto sear. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's the exact same gun but without this piece.

This allows it to fire full auto. That is the only difference. I can buy one of those for 25k and put it in an AR.

And yes the quality of many AR manufacturers is far superior to most M4's that people deploy with.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

i just know that it is very hard in the US to get fully automatic weapons

It isn't, you just need the money to afford it.

 

[Caudillo]

You know the military goes with the lowest possible bidder right?

Daniel Defense makes top tier civilian AR15s and THEY are the company that produces the M4s that groups like Delta and Rangers use.

https://www.quora.com/What-does-military-grade-mean

Okay you know your stuff. I dont i admit.

Here is my question and confusion then, Daniel Defense and the basis of the AR15 model or AR models is superior you are arguing... So how do you compare those to the HK models?

The AR15 is an M4 without an auto sear. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's the exact same gun but without this piece.

This allows it to fire full auto. That is the only difference. I can buy one of those for 25k and put it in an AR.

And yes the quality of many AR manufacturers is far superior to most M4's that people deploy with.

what M4´s do US soldiers deploy with? and wouldnt a US military grade M4 be more expensive to purchase than a nice custom civilian version AR15?

It isn't, you just need the money to afford it.

Interesting. Also cool how even if that assault weapons ban passes it wont effect full autos.

 

[Caudillo]

The M4 is an AR with an auto sear...

Also an AR is very vague there are very low to extremely high end manufacturers of said AR's.

Most high end AR manufacturers are built well beyond milspec.

what about the high end HK weapons or say Israeli tavor or military or law enforcement grade Berettas and glocks? and Russian made weapons.

Then again i am not sure you have experience with Russian made or military grade weaponry or do you?

 

[Gregolian]

Okay you know your stuff. I dont i admit.

Here is my question and confusion then, Daniel Defense and the basis of the AR15 model or AR models is superior you are arguing... So how do you compare those to the HK models?

All the 416 is is a full auto piston driven AR. You can take any gas impingement AR15 and put a piston kit in it and it's basically a semi 416 clone in the civilian market. You don't have to clean it as much (supposedly) but past that there isn't a huge benefit to warrant the cost is my understanding.

what M4´s do US soldiers deploy with? and wouldnt a US military grade M4 be more expensive to purchase than a nice custom civilian version AR15?

This is what most soldiers deploy with:
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/colt-le6920-carbine-223556-161-301-pmag-mbus-4-pos-stk-blk

They used to be about $850 but I notice the price has gone up. Only difference on the military version is the full auto sear that the civilian model doesn't have. The full auto sear for a civilian to have is upwards of 5 figures in price so yeah, it'd be more expensive for a civilian to take a 6920 and turn it into essentially the civilian M4 but this gun:


Is better still. Besides, most guys I know that served have said full auto is a joke and basically never used on the M4s.

what about the high end HK weapons or say Israeli tavor or military or law enforcement grade Berettas and glocks? and Russian made weapons.

Then again i am not sure you have experience with Russian made or military grade weaponry or do you?

I can't speak to the Berettas cause I know the ones the military has are the M9s whereas the civilian model is called the 92FS though I don't know why it's called something different.

A Glock is a Glock is a Glock. The Glock 19 that the SEALs use is the same as far as I know as the one you can buy at Cabelas. Same with the Sig P226s the military uses.

Eastern Bloc guns like the Browning Hi Power and CZs you can all get as a civilian in the States.

 

[Caudillo]

All the 416 is is a full auto piston driven AR. You can take any gas impingement AR15 and put a piston kit in it and it's basically a semi 416 clone in the civilian market. You don't have to clean it as much (supposedly) but past that there isn't a huge benefit to warrant the cost is my understanding.


This is what most soldiers deploy with:
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/colt-le6920-carbine-223556-161-301-pmag-mbus-4-pos-stk-blk

They used to be about $850 but I notice the price has gone up. Only difference on the military version is the full auto sear that the civilian model doesn't have. The full auto sear for a civilian to have is upwards of 5 figures in price so yeah, it'd be more expensive for a civilian to take a 6920 and turn it into essentially the civilian M4 but this gun:


Is better still. Besides, most guys I know that served have said full auto is a joke and basically never used on the M4s.


I can't speak to the Berettas cause I know the ones the military has are the M9s whereas the civilian model is called the 92FS though I don't know why it's called something different.

A Glock is a Glock is a Glock. The Glock 19 that the SEALs use is the same as far as I know as the one you can buy at Cabelas. Same with the Sig P226s the military uses.

Eastern Bloc guns like the Browning Hi Power and CZs you can all get as a civilian in the States.

full auto burns ammo. It is only used on Squad automatic weapons i read and obviously real machine guns attached to large belt fed magazines. Or if you have drum magazines. But surely there are situations for it. To my knowledge the M9s are designated for US military, not sure what difference there is. Could you get GSH 18 in the states a Russian side arm pistol or chinese made guns?

Couldnt a person who is handy with metal working, make that FULL AUTO sear?

 

[Caudillo]

All the 416 is is a full auto piston driven AR. You can take any gas impingement AR15 and put a piston kit in it and it's basically a semi 416 clone in the civilian market. You don't have to clean it as much (supposedly) but past that there isn't a huge benefit to warrant the cost is my understanding.


This is what most soldiers deploy with:
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/colt-le6920-carbine-223556-161-301-pmag-mbus-4-pos-stk-blk

They used to be about $850 but I notice the price has gone up. Only difference on the military version is the full auto sear that the civilian model doesn't have. The full auto sear for a civilian to have is upwards of 5 figures in price so yeah, it'd be more expensive for a civilian to take a 6920 and turn it into essentially the civilian M4 but this gun:


Is better still. Besides, most guys I know that served have said full auto is a joke and basically never used on the M4s.


I can't speak to the Berettas cause I know the ones the military has are the M9s whereas the civilian model is called the 92FS though I don't know why it's called something different.

A Glock is a Glock is a Glock. The Glock 19 that the SEALs use is the same as far as I know as the one you can buy at Cabelas. Same with the Sig P226s the military uses.

Eastern Bloc guns like the Browning Hi Power and CZs you can all get as a civilian in the States.

so you are arguing the AR base is superior platform and that even the arguably better rifles with higher fire rates and supposed durability are improvements to the AR model and are AR´s when undressed. Similar to how in the eastern block world most guns were built around the AK models?

 

[Gregolian]

so you are arguing the AR base is superior platform and that even the arguably better rifles with higher fire rates and supposed durability are improvements to the AR model and are AR´s when undressed. Similar to how in the eastern block world most guns were built around the AK models?

The M4 and the AR are literally the same gun minus the SEAR. I'd argue a good chunk of the civilian market ARs from companis like BCM, Daniel Defense, Rainier Arms, Falkor, Faxon, and like Spikes are probably better shooting and better put together firearms than the mass produced 6920s most of the military is issued and deploys with.

The original ArmaLite rifle then went on to be the Mk12 as well as being developed into the civilian AR10.


The 416 is BASICALLY a AR15/M4 with a piston as well.



AR vs AK a lot of it comes down to preference and what you're used to shooting. My biggest critique on the short time I have spent on an AK is the bolt doesn't lock to the rear on an empty magazine like an AR, 1911 pistol, or Glock pistol does.

I don't know if I'd say the AR15 is the greatest and best platform out there... but it's certainly one of the most versatile you can use.