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Monte Moku

Monte Moku

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Hello, basically the title. At the end of my last training session, my coach asked if I wanted to get some footage, so here it is. I hope to be able to get a smoker before the end of the year, so any insight is appreciated and I will work to correct my mistakes.



Watching this physically hurt because my punches and footwork (among other things) are all over the place, but it has pushed me harder because I do not want to keep looking like this. Thank you all!
 
John Wayne Parr-esque
 
Your coach looks like he knows his stuff but if you're going to fight I would forget these long combos he has you doing. finishing a combo with right hook-switch kick or throwing an elbow after a round kick is weird.
 
Monte Moku said:
Hello, basically the title. At the end of my last training session, my coach asked if I wanted to get some footage, so here it is. I hope to be able to get a smoker before the end of the year, so any insight is appreciated and I will work to correct my mistakes.



Watching this physically hurt because my punches and footwork (among other things) are all over the place, but it has pushed me harder because I do not want to keep looking like this. Thank you all!
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I dont see any coaching going on, just a burn out on the pads. I see pretty much everything being done wrong, and rather than it being corrected by your coach, your allowed to continue doing it wrong and just continue ripping pads. I am not trying to be a dick, I think its awesome that you want to fight and you definitely can, you just need to improve before doing so. If I was your coach I definitely would not be sending you to fight in 4 months. I see a lot of guys get tossed into the ring that are not ready and it really bothers me. The coaches either dont know, dont care, or both. We call them brave corners because they arent the ones in there fighting. This guy right here I was coaching went and fought 1 week after I quit coaching at that gym, theres no way in hell I would have sent him to fight, and he got absolutely smashed like I knew he would cause he simply wasnt ready. MT community is small, he fought a friend/coaches of mines fighter and got smashed bad. Not trying ot be a dick or down talk you or anything like that, its awesome you want to fight, you can fight, and I say go for it, when your ready.

listen with sound on, he drops his left hand alot and gets caught with the R hook exactly like I told the other guy to do.
 
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UWanaPlayDaGame said:
Your coach looks like he knows his stuff but if you're going to fight I would forget these long combos he has you doing. finishing a combo with right hook-switch kick or throwing an elbow after a round kick is weird.
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Yeah, some of the combos we do don't always click with me, and then others make a lot of sense and work really well in sparring. At the moment I am working on a handful of combos (none very long, usually only four strikes at the most) however during padwork he sometimes throws in funky stuff like some of the ones in the video and it kinda throws me off. I don't think you can hear it in the video, but there were a few moments where he was reminding me of the strikes in some combos because I was tired, the weird movements didn't 'flow' and my brain was trying to do what felt natural in some positions instead of what he wanted me to do. He usually only does this towards the end of a training session though, so I can only assume it's for the purpose of burning me out a bit as well
 
I agree with @shincheckin , most likely your coach was just doing a burn out. Not that I think its anything wrong with that, I can see it being a tool to condition beginers... make them feel what a round where the output isn't determined only by the students will, or something.

You got some work to do to get ready for a fight. Are you sparring often? If so, how you're doing?

Regarding your technique I can give you some tips, take them as you wish:
- swing that arm when kicking! It serves to give you balance, manage distance and deflect incoming punches. I like and try to swing it as horizontal as I can, chin down, hid by the shoulder.
- In the cross to the body you're leaning forward and punching downward. It's a common mistake with beginners and lets you open for a million different counters, like a knee to the gut. Not funny. Try to lower your ass and rotate your torso as you punch so you punch from shoulder level, that way you gain range and can mantain that chin hid by the shoulder.

Of course there's more, but I don't want to nitpick as I also don't know how your coach teach these moves.

Keep up the good work, man! Train your ass off and kick some butt when you're ready
 
shincheckin said:
I dont see any coaching going on, just a burn out on the pads. I see pretty much everything being done wrong, and rather than it being corrected by your coach, your allowed to continue doing it wrong and just continue ripping pads. I am not trying to be a dick, I think its awesome that you want to fight and you definitely can, you just need to improve before doing so. If I was your coach I definitely would not be sending you to fight in 4 months. I see a lot of guys get tossed into the ring that are not ready and it really bothers me. The coaches either dont know, dont care, or both. We call them brave corners because they arent the ones in there fighting. This guy right here I was coaching went and fought 1 week after I quit coaching at that gym, theres no way in hell I would have sent him to fight, and he got absolutely smashed like I knew he would cause he simply wasnt ready. MT community is small, he fought a friend/coaches of mines fighter and got smashed bad. Not trying ot be a dick or down talk you or anything like that, its awesome you want to fight, you can fight, and I say go for it, when your ready.

listen with sound on, he drops his left hand alot and gets caught with the R hook exactly like I told the other guy to do.
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Not coming off as a dick at all, if anything you seem passionate rather than rude. With regards to his lack of correction, he had spent a good bit of time correcting and explaining things before he filmed the video, I was just insanely tired and he wanted to post a video of me on social media to help build my confidence (I think that's why he doesn't say much in the video, he is usually much more vocal when we work). He does tend to burn us out towards the end of a session on pads or a bag, however pretty much every gym I have been to does this, so I have always assumed there is a reason for it that I just don't know.

I agree completely that I am not ready to fight yet and need a ton of work. I trust my coach, however a dose of skepticism is probably what I need since he wants to train me to be fight-ready as soon as possible. I am going to Thailand for two months in September where I hope to improve my technique and balance, as those are the things I can feel are the most wrong when I am working.
 
Lucas Coradini said:
I agree with @shincheckin , most likely your coach was just doing a burn out. Not that I think its anything wrong with that, I can see it being a tool to condition beginers... make them feel what a round where the output isn't determined only by the students will, or something.

You got some work to do to get ready for a fight. Are you sparring often? If so, how you're doing?

Regarding your technique I can give you some tips, take them as you wish:
- swing that arm when kicking! It serves to give you balance, manage distance and deflect incoming punches. I like and try to swing it as horizontal as I can, chin down, hid by the shoulder.
- In the cross to the body you're leaning forward and punching downward. It's a common mistake with beginners and lets you open for a million different counters, like a knee to the gut. Not funny. Try to lower your ass and rotate your torso as you punch so you punch from shoulder level, that way you gain range and can mantain that chin hid by the shoulder.

Of course there's more, but I don't want to nitpick as I also don't know how your coach teach these moves.

Keep up the good work, man! Train your ass off and kick some butt when you're ready
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He often does burn outs towards the end of a session and my conditioning still has a good ways to go, so perhaps I am still getting a bit out of burning out. I don't really know at what point I should ask to stop doing them haha

I spar every other day. For the most part, everyone I spar with is a fighter who has competed for the gym and they usually land more strikes and push the pace harder than I can. For the most part, they all have told me that my technique needs a lot of work and I need to throw combinations instead of single strikes more. I agree with them, as I often find myself on the outside jabbing/footjabbing and looking for counters instead of pushing the pace and being more active.

Thank you so much for the technical help, especially on the cross! I know nothing in the video looked all that great, but I feel my hands are my biggest weakness and I have been focusing on my 1-2 more lately.
 
Lucas Coradini said:
"He drops his lead hand a lot so r hook his face when you can"
"I dont mind"
gets blasted immediately by a r hook
LOL
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you should have seen his fight, i dont want to talk shit but it was embarrassing, Im glad I was not associated with it. also when stuff like that happens to a guy, they never fight again. Get chased away from the sport.
 
Monte Moku said:
Not coming off as a dick at all, if anything you seem passionate rather than rude. With regards to his lack of correction, he had spent a good bit of time correcting and explaining things before he filmed the video, I was just insanely tired and he wanted to post a video of me on social media to help build my confidence (I think that's why he doesn't say much in the video, he is usually much more vocal when we work). He does tend to burn us out towards the end of a session on pads or a bag, however pretty much every gym I have been to does this, so I have always assumed there is a reason for it that I just don't know.

I agree completely that I am not ready to fight yet and need a ton of work. I trust my coach, however a dose of skepticism is probably what I need since he wants to train me to be fight-ready as soon as possible. I am going to Thailand for two months in September where I hope to improve my technique and balance, as those are the things I can feel are the most wrong when I am working.
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awesome man, what gym will you be going to? You should learn a lot in 2 months in thailand.
 
shincheckin said:
awesome man, what gym will you be going to? You should learn a lot in 2 months in thailand.
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I'm really torn at the moment, since there are so many great gyms in Bangkok. I am mainly looking into Kiatphontip, Kaewsamrit and Petchyindee Academy and I really like all three. From what I have read about training in Thailand, it is best to try out a couple gyms until you find one you like most, so those three will likely be the ones I go by first.
 
Can I roast your beard instead?

You're looking good, just keep working hard, your trainer clearly knows what he's doing
 
I agree with you that your kicks are looking better than your punches right now.

I'd try and work on power punches on the heavybag as that will likely be a big factor in your first fight, I doubt either of you will be picking your shots experiencing that adrenaline rush for the first time. Sounds like you are sparring a lot, presumably not that hard, it wouldn't hurt prioritising the bag over sparring in my opinion.

I'd also say it looks to me like you are a bit low on aggression for a pad session which might be a concern in a fight. To be fair I think you would have looked better if you were given more time between punches.
 
Monte Moku said:
Yeah, some of the combos we do don't always click with me, and then others make a lot of sense and work really well in sparring. At the moment I am working on a handful of combos (none very long, usually only four strikes at the most) however during padwork he sometimes throws in funky stuff like some of the ones in the video and it kinda throws me off. I don't think you can hear it in the video, but there were a few moments where he was reminding me of the strikes in some combos because I was tired, the weird movements didn't 'flow' and my brain was trying to do what felt natural in some positions instead of what he wanted me to do. He usually only does this towards the end of a training session though, so I can only assume it's for the purpose of burning me out a bit as well
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he probably wants you to learn to react quickly without thinking. but if every time out training is just endless combos with no context then I would be worried.
 
Monte Moku said:
I'm really torn at the moment, since there are so many great gyms in Bangkok. I am mainly looking into Kiatphontip, Kaewsamrit and Petchyindee Academy and I really like all three. From what I have read about training in Thailand, it is best to try out a couple gyms until you find one you like most, so those three will likely be the ones I go by first.
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My old coach lived at petchyindee camp for 1 year and used to fight for them, he is a high level nakmuay. From what I was told, its not really a beginner gym/camp. I am sure they will take beginners etc. and surely you will learn, but I dont know how beginner friendly they are......I cannot speak on it much as I have never been there but its something to take into consideration when choosing a gym, will they cater to someone of your skill level, will they invest in training/teaching/you? or just burn you out on the pads and take your money? You see that a lot, its why I feel that "training in thailand" can sometimes be over rated. you see clips of guys that are horrible, with no correction from the coaches. Anyways something you may want to take into consideration

I have never been to sitjaopho, I would like to train there though. They also seem to be foreigner and beginner friendly. Their camp seems to be more designed around teaching and learning rather than fighting, not that they dont have fighters, but their fighters are their core team, not random dudes showing up for a month. I cannot recall exactly, so take it with a grain of salt, but my buddy just went to sitmonchai for 1 month and fought for them, if I recall correctly, he was told at sitjaopho, he would have to stay for 3 months to get a fight. anyways point being they seem much more geared towards instructing/teaching...my 2 cents.
 
real quick -

sit down, rotate and extend on your punches more.
There's some good drills I can recommend if you like for that.

I think you should consider fighting a down the road a bit more. Maybe a year?
 
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